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First broadcast at 20:00 5 Sep 2012
It's another double eviction. Will it be Julie, Martin or Prince Lorenzo that survives?
Brian chats to the latest two evictees and reveals which housemates have made it to the final.
The housemates must become stars of BBTV to pass this week's shopping task.
The housemates nominate for the last time, before taking the plunge in Big Brother's latest task.
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Ahhhhhhhhhh thanks @ . I feel like a total numpty now lol, mind relieved I didn't upset her.
@ Deborah, Sasha isn't sensitive; she was just joking giving a smiley and a haha to go and just do other things!
@. My defending Julie stands. I never apologized for anything I said about Julie. But I offered to refrain from mentioning her to Sasha as a way of personally compensating for upsetting her. My apology to Sasha stands. I think Sasha felt singled out. It wasn't intended. I just jumped in feet first and fired opinions. I feel she had a fair point, I was too strong in expressing these at her as she's more sensitive to arguments and confrontation. Sasha doesn't take the aggressive approach in debates and feels I did and for that I feel bad. Especially if she feels the need to stay away from the forum. Anyway, cheers for your post and roll on the final...........brrrrrrt *drum rolls*
Deborah please don't back off. Someone needs to stand up for Julie, who's been judged so hard by many and misunderstood. Concerning Danica, her way of life is totally immoral, as she uses and misuses men for her own gain
Deborah backing off with an apology
Ah Sasha, come back. I was just expressing strong opinions. There was no intention to make you feel upset here or want to leave. If my comments made you feel uncomfortable, or if I forced my opinions on you, then I apologize. I like coming on here and love hearing your opinions. I did agree with tonnes you had to say. I'm sorry if my focus on your comments was too much. Same at Krista, perhaps she'll feel the same. It's just a forum full of opinions and believe it or not i've enjoyed reading a lot of yours. Hope to see you tonight Sasha, come on, it's the last night, don't let my silly comments spoil the last night. I give you my word I wont mention Julie to you again or anything controversial? Please, it would be fun seeing you.
Oscar Pistorius ran in the Olympics as well as the Paralympics. He ran amongst the able bodied olympians you may want to do your research a little more carefully Deb ;D. Gone for the year now enjoy forcing your opinion on others chick haha
Also Deb you say that Julie was diagnosed with Cancer yet despite you suggesting she has suffered terminally with the condition & as a result has had other illnesses, well why then does she continue to smoke. Being a smoker myself, if you are diagnosed with a condition due to your own negligence you shouldn't be entitled to excuse your behaviour due to a terminal illness. Evidently despite being diagnosed by a terminal illness she still continues to smoke. The last time I checked a Government Health Warning was issued on cigarettes advertising the risk of smoking & how smoking could increase the risk of being diagnosed with Cancer. Bye s & Krista have a fun remaining summer xx
@Deborah how is it you seem to be the only viewer to know the reasons for why particular housemates behave in such a way, shame you didn't extend the same coutesy to Danica. It was you that claimed at the time that her reasoning for being the way she was & doing what she did shouldn't be used as an excuse yet you do the same with Julie. Also I'm not saying that suffering from a terminal illness wouldn't be traumatic however having parents of the same age as Julie they suffer from ill health due to old age. As your body ages you are likely to suffer from certain conditions & we all will suffer as we age unlike someone born with dwarfism syndrome or someone who has their limbs amputated. To assume they face the same hardships in life as Julie is beyond rediculous. Julie was an able bodied soap star in her time unlike those olympians who in their 20's are having to adapt their lives. But once again you have proven that no one else is entitled to an opinion which is why I can't be bothered to leave a comment anymore, which is a shame as I did enjoy exchanging views with Krista, s & Sergei. I wish you well guys hopefully we shall chat in the next BB :) xx
There can be no excusing Julie's behaviour. She is utterly vile, very needy, vitriolic, seriously deluded and -like the majority on the stage - a total narcissist. A scary has-been who still believes herself to be the nations sweetheart. Good grief. I am thrilled she is out and am only disappointed that neither Brian or Emma took her to task in regard to her bitchy behaviour.
They’ve all back stabbed in there, not just Julie. But I don’t hear them being judged for the same crime? But that isn’t why I think she’s a breath of fresh air, you’ve taken the comment out of context. As for using her disability for votes, she only mentioned it last night, at the finals, not through the show for votes? She wasn’t saying that’s why she should be voted for. She was saying it should be taken into consideration when we’re voting. We never heard her mention her lifelong illness and the long term impact having endless treatment and operations and organs removed to save her life. Or the long term damage it did to her. In fact, the public didn’t know for 25 year, so that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt she doesn’t hide behind disability. You can agree with Sasha, it’s good you stand by your friend, I did too with some of her opinions, just not on Julie. Sasha said she had a long healthy life, inferring she wasn’t disabled and had no right for it to be taken into consideration. I proved that wasn’t true, simple. Also, if she’s on serious medications for it, that effect moods, or her mind, then too right it should be taken into consideration. Hence my point for the separate disabled Olympics, there is a reason, they cannot be expected to compete against fully able people. Thats why they are cheered on, because they fight against the odds. Thats what Julie felt she was doing. She wasn’t just out of her comfort zone in a young persons world, she was doing it fighting daily illness, of which we don’t know a thing about. Unless you only include a disability as a limb missing, and not removed organs, fighting for life throughout chemo or terminal cancer and many other hidden illnesses she never talked about etc. I too judge people on their character, she had character, you just didn’t like hers personally, that’s cool. I did, I wish we could all feel as free as her to say and do as we wish. As for being her friend, it’s not a problem, she doesn’t want you to be... I’m sure neither of us register on her radar. I wouldn’t want to live with her, but i do respect and admire her stance in life. Good luck to her, and you, enjoy your night out.
Deborah I dont think someone is a breath of fresh air when they are being nice to someones face and then stabbing them in the back as they walk away. Julie wasnt upfront and honest at all - quite the opposite.I do agree with Sasha and others on here who might have said Julie was using her disability to win votes. and I stick to the point that I judge people on their character and not anything else such as a disability so there was no need for Julie to say that in my opinion. I certainly wouldnt wanna be her friend thats for sure - I dont make friends with backstabbing people and Julie was just that. Now I really must be orf!!
bye Krista, it's been a pleasure. Speak next series
You too @Deb...;) HAve fun during the final you lot and behave!! Not!!
Later Krista, hope you have a great time!! Sad I wont see you again, you did make me giggle on occasion. Best of luck, cheerio.
Only just watched BBBOTS. Oi, leave off my Emma Willis, she wasn't scared, just a little star struck. You have to remember that to anyone under thirty (most of the CBB viewers) Bet Lynch means nothing. To those that watched her for decades, she carried a lot of clout, was a huge star back when there were only three channels and only one major soap (emmerdale wasn't anywhere near as big). She truly was a legend back in her day. Emma, having a natural passion with the media, for obvious reasons, is naturally going to respect this. I think she genuinely liked Julie in a professional capacity and was a tad star struck. Jasmine was scary and Enma didn't back off, she clearly didn't behave in a sycophantic manner. Why would she be scared of one and not the other. Julie is guilty of many of the things people have had to say, yes she can be vulgar, crude and very blunt. You either love her or hate her. I love her. I'm tired of walking around in what I no longer regard a free country having to say what i'm allowed, think what i'm allowed, be what i'm allowed because it's politically correct. Julie was a blast of fresh air, it was great to see a woman confident enough in herself to be what she wanted to be, not what people boo'd her to be, told her to be, expected her to be. @Sasha, you say julie has had a long healthy life, sorry this isn't true, i suggest you do a background check, she's was diagnosed with a terminal illness about three decades ago. Also, you don't know her disability. Applauding the man at the olympics without limbs is easy, you can see his disability and it's on that basis you make a judgement on him. You don't know Julie's disability, if it's age related, serious or mild. She kept her cervical cancer a secret over 25 years!!! She was only given a year to live at the time. She doesn't have two limbs missing for us to take into account. She doesn't want pity, which is why its not out there what she was ill with on other occasions. We can only pass judgement on what we do know, not based on our dislike of a person. She also founded a charity to screen people for cancer, did you hear her talk about that? She's not running a race for her public victory, she runs the race of real life, without flowery metaphors, pretty bows or politically correct behaviors. I love her, I hope she continues to stay true to herself. You dont have to like Juile, or even justify or rationalize why you dont. I respect all views on here, but have the decency to clarify what you put as fact, and people have a better chance of understanding. (p.s. I agreed with most of the other stuff you put Sasha) @emma, you were wrong, it wasn't just Lucinda that said something, the prince had a go at her too, i had to respect him for that and his new stance on Danica. I eat my words on him if he's being honest, good luck to him.
Hey Sash and S - just wanna say bye cos will not be on tonight and tomorrow I think I am going round my friends house!! Its been a pleasure chatting to you both and am sending you both big hugs. Next year. Same time, same place??
well emma was scared to death to ask julie anything well done linda lusardi for the only one to have any balls to comment on julies appaling behaviour GROW A PAIR EMMA !!!!
Hi Sash, S and all - I watched BOTS and I think Nana J is rather deluded lol. Gold star for Linda Lusardi for throwing out a decent question and not pandering to her like the other panellists!! What a bunch of wimpos!! Prince kinda bored me to start with but then started to come up with the comments FINALLY!! Oh its sooooo good to grumble - get em all out - I dont like any of them really!!
Harvey is a potenetial monster - women shouldn't do this, men shouldn't do that........next stop - STONE HER! STONE HER!
Been trying all morning to watch first of ast night shows starts playing n get stuck on adverts b4 show arrggghhh
Krista as your thought twin you know I'm bound to beat you to the comment lol ;D. s I didn't bother watching the interview I lost all respect for Julie when she was in the diary room trying to get the pity vote so saw no point in watching what rubbish she had to spout. This is the same woman who openly called her husband her stalker, to me if she is capable of disrespecting her own husband in such a way then the behaviour we have viewed is no surprise. I'm also starting to dislike Coleen for running to Harvey to bitch about Martin, if she had a problem with what Kempy was saying why not say it to his face. As for Harvey (mr double standards) everything he has done in & out of the house is a contradiction. He has one rule for himself & another for women or other men. Lorenzo had him sussed. I loved how Martin made him look like a fool by admitting he was wrong to display his bum hole to a lady. The only person I think deserves to win is Martin & I hope people vote for him. The kitchen lino has contributed nothing in order to win, the three witches of BBwick have sailed through to the final by sticking together rather than playing the show as individuals, which is how it should be played on your own merit not on the basis that they have formed cliques in order to progress further. Rant over now have a day off work but don't have the luxury of enjoying it as have a pile of chores to do waaaaaaaaaaaa :( lol chat later x
Morning Sasha and S. Ive not watched BOTS yet but will try this afternoon - sooooo little time but I do love my BB and BOTS!! I think you both said it all so no need for me to have a morning rant...:)
and sasha I was there on sunday at the olympic stadium watching that controversial 400m final race with oscar pistorius. It was amazing watching all the athletes.
Morning sasha. I've just watched the interview with her on BOTS. I swore at the TV last night when she was interviewed by Brian. And because it was an interview we got a close up of the chewing. I would have thought someone said take it out. It was like watching someone talking with their mouths full. You're right sasha, she has no manners. She's petty, holds grudges and then has the cheek to say, I don't hold grudges. She laughed through her worst bits, and seemed proud of them. She was so 2 faced. Helping Jasmine to then call her a looney. I'm glad she's gone. She kept nodding at the nations sweetheart comment by emma. She's not done herself any favours. She's vile, arrogant, opinionated, foul mouthed and self obsessed. Thinks she's still an A lister. How petty was she about the lighter. I think it was because she wanted to be in control. The nana role made her control the boys. The cigarettes were a form of control over Coleen and BB took that control away from her by giving them cigarettes. So then she tried to gain control by walking off with the lighter. And rant over......
Hi Krista, s, Serg & others, I watched some of the show last night but had a cosy night watching the US Open with the love of my life, well until he pee's me off again lol. I'm sorry to say but Julie's using her disability to gain a pity vote to stay in just made me lose further respect for her. If we switch over to the paralympics there we see young people who deserve respect for not allowing their disability to make them a victim. The south african olympian Oscar Pistorius ran during the olympics despite the fact he had both his lower limbs being amputated for the very reason that he didn't want to be treated differently. Don't get me wrong Julie is a pensioner & I do believe we should do all to help the aged however Julie has lived a healthy long life & is now suffering due to old age unlike someone who is young & has to face troubles all the way through their life due to a disability. Yes she did well to appear in BB but there have been many older people who have done great things & contributed to charity so appearing on a show in which she was paid to appear on isn't really that much of an achievement in my humble opinion.
I completely agree with you s & Krista, as pointed out before, we view to judge on behaviour & Julie's behaviour has been awful all the way through. It began with the girls & how she used them then would stab them in the back. As much as I dislike the kitchen lino he has prepared food for her like her personal slave yet she has no manners as she expects others to cook for her & care for her that is the wrong attitude no matter what age you are.
The show reveals that Julie turns out to be a very nice & lovely person with a great extent of humour, especially about herself with perspective!
Martin revealed himself as a nasty gameplayer trying to scare Ashley of Julie....Well Coleen take herself totally seriously without any trace of humour at all!
Very disappointed Emma Willis, was expecting more from you! Being old and ‘disabled’ (although having watched the Paralympics and the determination of those wonderful people, I really think the ‘old, disabled’ pensioner could have found the strength to make her own cup of tea) doesn’t excuse you from being a spiteful, two faced witch. I have never ever seen such a nasty person. Emma you should have really interviewed this woman and not sucked up to her!
Now call me cynical but something tells me Harvey will be TERRIFIED of Julian,, he most certainly wont be bowing down to or around him. I note that Harvey turns on all those he views a threat. He even grassed on and dragged Julian into the war with Kemp, i note he hid behind Julian, no bowing in front of him.
But, @ Deborah. If Kempy is in the final he'll get some of the mature votes over Julien and I'd rather Julien win.. Martin couldn't even win in an argument with Harvey without Harvey feeling sorry for him and backing down through magnanimous deference.
OMG I thought I saw a UFO no my mistake it was Julie Mildrew on a broomstick. Oh dear fun and joke a side I did not like them booeing her but she was very nasty. Oh dear she even states she was not acting I suppose she is 70 and feels she has earned the right to behave how she does. Please do not vote for Coleen to wn I would be gutted if she wins anyone else but Her preferably Martin or the Situation or Harvey Or Ashley or Julian anyone please but Coleen.
Awww shall we cry in our beer Sergei? She made it to the end, she did good, she should be happy considering most fans are young and don't identify with her or know her. They kept her in as long as a young crowd could tolerate it (LOL@Brian, he's scared of Julie) Fairs fair, time for the hate game now,,, Harvey OUT! Lets smash the boy band up :D
LOL@ Papster.... *introduces S's head to the nearest wall* I never liked the letter S anyway pfffffffft (i'm so going to hate her if she isn't ill or disabled)
feel better pappy ;-) off to bed now, night all. Will comment on julie's interview tomorrow
Now I know why I do not like the Prince he's got the money and the veneers but no humph about him. Oh well he can go back to America and wait till he becomes King.
Anyway I have seen his type of women (DANICA) no class. Sucker i hope he gets with Danica and she fleeces him. There said and it feels good.
LOL@S,,, im worried he'll wink it like Harvey did Coleen?
I can't stop laughing, you lot get your innocuous comments 'removed' yet I get worse by the day and all mine stay. Of course, the mods came cheap, Sergei was a cheap commodity to barter with. Of course, I'd like to take this time to applaud all the mods on here and tell them just how wonderful and intellectual they all are and how I respect them and love them all and thank them for their time moderating this room so we can all chat safely about me, myself, and I and in the breaks we can switch to Celebrity Big Brother *wet kisses to the lips Julie style*
what's wrong with Sergei's arse that you need to report it!?
See Sergei, now that is the most horrific and horrendously offensive thing said to me in all my time on these forums.... Ignore me? I'm so reporting your arse...
lol sergie. Yes pappy, I had to pause Dallas but I don't really care. It was boring. Good luck with trying to watch it on demand 5!! I really hope Martin stays, My eyes can't take the leopard print anymore.
The sad thing is that we can just ignore you Deborah... Your poor kid has to live with it.
Anyway, more about me (shush Nick, anyone would think this was a Big Brother Forum *rolls eyes*)
Loving the comments Deborah this forum is so entertining it gives BBBOTS a run for their money.Dallas boring me try watching it on catch up tomorrow.
Coleen upsets me very much since she is always up for fishing sympathy votes from in- and outside the house! She is full of self pity instead of giving Julie a real chance! She has decided to judge her no matter what!
Okay, EPIC FAIL, i jumped in screaming, they fell about the room, the dog started barking, the cat looked incredibly peeved, and now they're hyper and can take liberties now they know that I know they're awake and made a joke of it.... any more bright ideas Stanley?
@Deborah you are so bad and nooope to epensive for me hahahah
I'm bored waiting for big bro to return... I have four victims at my disposal to pass time... an unsuspecting cat and dog asleep on the bed, right next to my table which has a heavy (and loud in slammed) book, or, my teenager who has a friend sleeping, both of which dare to assume i'm too stupid to know they're sneaking around in there all quiet. I could sneak up, throw the door open and scream. See if i can set off a mexican wave of screams,, although either way the cat and dog are going to jump around the house... vote now,,, I say teens deserve it?
I think Julie made a poor error of judgement if she reflects on it.She went in knowing she was adored by millions in her acting days,but people are now seeing a bitter twisted old ,lady.An awful lot of fans will have deserted her.Julien has done nothing but pose for 2 weeks.Martin has been a little too laid back for my liking.Colleen,i think,has had a bit of a rough ride.The young lads have at least provided a bit of life to the proceedings.I'd like to see how the Sitch would have turned out if Danica hadn't been around.I'm sure there is a boyish,infectious sense of humour creeping out now.Overall i'd go for a Colleen/Sitch final 2,but i'm not holding my breath.r
Sergei for sale, costs just two bicycle pumps and a squirt cream canister. Any bids?
Papster!!! High five my little Ewok loving nemesis.. Hows things? I so did Sergei last night,, I'm so tired, it took him a whole ten seconds to make his point :)
Lol @ your mischievousness and sorry to insight so much rage @s... And @Deborah. Stop trying to pimp me out.
don't worry deborah. @pappy you need to copy your comment and then paste over and over again. Look at tuesdays BOTS comments. All those removed is me (except 2) I'm bored waiting for the next bit of CBB to start.
actually I can't be bothered to watch Dallas. If I miss any it's not like I'll be able to catch up on demand 5
Sergei, stop hiding, you know you want to ride our S! *nods Sombrero*
OMG THEY HAVE REMOVED MY COMMENT.I did not say anything offensive
*Slaps S on the arse, Dallas style with spurs and jodhpurs*
I'm sorry S, I didn't mean to upset you... I suppose I just worried that she was trying to say 'treat me equal, but remember I had a harder time to reach the pinnacle'. If someone has to work harder, you can't help wanted to give them a little boost. If a visibly disabled person was in there, they'd automatically get the understanding that comes with it. Those with an invisible disability get it harder both ways. They're expected to be equal, when in fairness, they don't have that luxury. Hugs S x Chin up chest out
I don't want a massive discussion on disability. I'm not saying that at all Deborah re benefits and blue badges which are extremely difficult to get. I want to get back to the fun conversation and tune out to Dallas, yeeeeha
I suppose so, but my friend can't wash her hair and has carers 24/7. She wants to be treated as an equal and seen for the person she is and not because of her disabilities. That's what the paralympians are desperately trying to get across, look at what I can achieve, see me as a person and not look at my disabilities. Then julie uses it like a get out of jail free card. A pity card. What's the relevance? I'm not disputing her disabilities or the fact she has help during the programme having a seperate bathroom, that's a real positive, having adaptions in the house, but she's used it like the race/ sexuality card. IThat's all. Wow, I told you it made me angry
@ Deborah.. I think @s is trying to say that there are a lot of people who claim disability who may be doing it for the extra benefits a disability provides, like the blue badge..
Oh you HAVE to be joking, an hour and fifteen minutes!!! How am I supposed to stay conscious that long *reaches for matchsticks and inflammable redbull* (Just keep it away from Harveys Winky Growler)
I see where you're coming from @s. I'd just rather know what her disability is.... Aawww @ Ashley and Harvey.
To the contrary S, I'm saying lets wait to see if it deserves scorn, there is a reason we have two olympics... They are judged on individual merit, but not expected to compete in competitions against those that are not disabled. For example, what if it's a mental disability? What if it is arthiritis,, if so that would have a huge impact on her moods, and we should give her room for the drug induced mood swings. Why did she have to go for a seperate hairdresser? May be hiding behind it, like I said, but what if she isn't, I haven't heard her mention her disability once until now. She clearly isn't talking about it or using it in the show. But she did want it used as a reason to get to the final,, lets hope she is playing and it's not fatal huh?
@pappy, Julie Mildrew hahahahahhaha, still sniggering
Hello Krista, I thought you may have missed it. I bet Sasha has. I really hate the long pauses where Julie just tilts her head and grins mid sentence. It's like through gritted teeth, you will agree with me, you will agree with me, YOU WILL AGREE WITH MEEEEE!
I agree S - it should be based on personality and not any disability - New low for her. Sorry Seg, know you like her but I really do not. Smiling assassin is correct. And she so does hold a grudge. Id watch my back for sure if I had upset her. And what is all this "I love you nana" crap. Seriously!! Rant over - goodnight!! ;)
To many young ones in..they are all as bad as one another..i would like to see Julian.win,butt Julie get to the last hurdle
Sergie, my close friend disabled, maybe that's why I'm offended by the comment. I feel like it's a cheep shot. I know she'd be fuming that it was used in that way
The uncertainty surrounding Julie's disability is the reason why I'm holding off the criticism. I just get this feeling that I'll feel bad later on down the line.
Deborah, why does it make her more deserving than the others. I thought it was supposed to be on personality. She's trying the sympathy card, smells of desperation to me
I'm fairly confident Martin is staying in, but with the backlash against Julie, you never know, it swung me in her favour.
Does anyone know what the music is to the microsoft advert?
She'd use anything she could S, it's crunch time. However, it made me wonder if she is disabled, I wonder what disability? She did look like she was struggling on occasion to get up... E.g. arthritis or something she's playing on?
@bigbrotheraddict101, exhausted now typing ypur name, lol. I know what you mean, he's a real gent and doesn't mind others taking the mick out of him. Generally a good egg
Ive got to say I think Price is really nice, I dont know why people boo him. More cheers!! lol :p
really angry that Julie used the disabled pensioner card, really angry at the disabled part
Ah, bite me *smiles*
what a sting Julie has in her tail
Cheers @ S... Would have had to watch it on +1 if you hadn't said... Mmmmm... I have to agree with you Deborah. Harvey's sycophantic "I respect you Kempy" response to the showdown was a little gutless. He should have told 'Kempy' to have a private chat with Coleen and then come back and apologise. Even Julie tried excusing Harvey's behaviour with alcohol when Martin tried amplifying the outrage with Coleen, Julien. I think Harvey backed down to Martin out of that respect and not because Martin was right because Martin wasn't right. Coleen loved seeing Harvey's bumholio.
Oh sod it, the pom poms are off, in the right corner is S, she's scary, in the left corner is Lewis, she's for the high jump *cheer leads while still chanting JULIE*
s - do the maths
@sarah lewis. Julie does make for better tv, I don't disagree about keeping her in if the programme wasn't just 2 days from the end, but the arrogance of the woman, you want her brought down a peg or two. She'd still be in tomorrows programme and then fridays programme would be getting the others out. So no real loss in her going today. "the public wil save me", will they 'eck luv
Why do people drag other's choices down. I totally back S, she made a choice, just because i want Julie to win, I wouldn't be rude or derogatory about others' choices *looks for Krista and Sasha, I'm reformed, get off my sticker!*
I think you're right S, He is a nice guy,,, I know he is. But I still think he's human, e.g. wanting to win. I'm torn, I want Julie and Martin to stay... But I genuinely think it means more to Julie... *waves a flag for all of us and our choices*
if julie goes , I'm not going to watch on principle......I have no interest in martin (trying to be cool dad ) kemp....the prince , well I think he's a nice person but would we miss him ? nooo...as for ham ,dear god they're acting like tits and why is the ocational table still in ? Julie is fabulous , this is supposed to be entertainmaent after all.julian and julie for the final please.....and if coleen wins I am never watching BB again !!
s - programme on earlier
CBB on at 8pm!!!!!!
Vote for Martin. He's a really nice guy and I don't think he's playing a game warning the boys about Julie but instead he's just looking out for their best interests
Deborah morning after the night before...
Ooooh, the alpha male's had a face off and Martin dominated! He had a vague point with the Julian thing, who did overstep the mark, but because he's gay I suppose we'll all discount the behaviour. Even if Julian did overstep the mark with the poor unassuming male model (of who's response of freaking made me laugh until I cried). But Harvey chose the wrong argument, about Coleen, with Julian. I'm guessing it doesn't count the same if a gay man does it as it's not intended sexually. Even so, he had a vague point. But he didn't back it up, he stepped down and let Martin take the Alpha spot. I wonder why Martin is suddenly grumpy and showing some action simultaneously :p bring on the nominations lol.
Deborah Whine A Lot
Why isn't the other forum working *whines*
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