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America's Planned War On Britain

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In the 200 years since the American Revolution, the United States and Great Britain have moved from enemies to firm allies. This documentary follows military experts and historians as they work through the top secret 'War Plan Red' to see how a hypothetical battle between America and Great Britain might have unfolded.

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  • JeffNorris

    1 year ago

    JeffNorris

    Amazing this, but the last few pictures and narration are more pertinent now

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  • Valerie

    over 1 year ago

    Valerie

    Oh come on. I seriously doubt any American president would have found a reason to invade Great Britain in the 1930s or afterward. For crying out loud, FDR couldn't get the US involved in fighting Hitler directly until we were attacked by Japan & even then Hitler obliged us by declaring war first (we declared war only on Japan, initially). The last time the US and UK were anywhere near war was in 1902 when a German-British-French alliance tried to collect debt in Venezuela & Teddy Roosevelt got huffy about the Monroe doctrine. Or maybe even as far back as the US Civil War when Great Britain built a some ships for the Confederacy & the US demanded and received reparations (see Treaty of Washington (1872 when the two countries made nice). Or maybe back still further when there was a dispute over the Canadian-US border in the 1840s (see 42-40 or fight). I suspect that if Britain had become a communist nation after WWI or WWII (not bloody likely, but whatever), the US would have acted on its isolationist impulse and just gone back to ignoring Europe.

  • Dave Martin

    almost 2 years ago

    Dave Martin

    For one the war would never have broken out, there are too many reasons against it. On a second note, if such a thing was to happen and the US did declare war on Britain, there's pretty much 0 chance of anyone claiming actual victory. As soon as it engaged, Britain's navy would have been on the defensive, able to hold off any American sea effort as it was the world's largest and strongest at the time - protecting Britain's colonies around the globe bar Canada. On the issue of Canada - not only would America be fighting Canadian forces, it would be fighting Australian and Indian forces, aswell as troops from the UK. Depending on the outcomes of Hitler's regime - being that he respected the British Empire at the time and only wanted to become a European power, the chances are he would have supported an effort against the USA along with France (if it managed to survive a Nazi invasion - which is doubtful given that in WW2 it surrendered after only a few days). My assumption would be that even if America managed to invade pieces of Canada, in the long haul, it would find itself being divided up by Britain and Germany - aswell as potential soviet forces who were rather keen on forging trade agreements with the British Empire around what is now known as the 'inter-war years' As a P.S, Japanese forces weren't all too keen on the Americans either, so would probably have assisted in efforts attacking the west-coast via the Pacific Ocean. The plan really was a suicide sheet by US forces. Even if by some miracle they did perform and manage somewhat of a victory, the economic devastation caused by it would have led to global anarchy without a doubt. It's a shambles really.

  • Robert Napper

    almost 2 years ago

    Robert Napper

    A Man- It's a FACT without the resources and materials of United States, Britain would have starved into submission by the toll the u-boats had on convoys from North America to the UK from Germany. Remember "Lend Lease"act. I'm a Yank, and proud of it, but if you still don't believe that that our involment was instrumental in defeating Nazi Germany, then ask any World War II vet or any person at that time that was living in Britian, and that depended on the USA for food, planes, tanks, and men. Don't take my word for it. Oh, by the way Channel 4 had a documentary out a few years ago called, "The First World War" and in that program (noticed I left out the extra m and e) Great Britian had a hypothetical military plan to attack United States, I believe Boston was for city to attack. This was of course, was drawn up before the first world war. I love you Brits, you have given us language and culture that definds to this day. The United States and Great Britain have a symbiotic relationship not a parasitic one and people should remember that we depend on each other. We have a special relationship that will endure, because we depend on each other. We have more in common then we do in disagreement. Bob

  • Roderick

    almost 2 years ago

    Roderick

    This wont play in my region (ca- us)...why? As an American, I didnt like Dr. Who.

  • Thomas

    almost 2 years ago

    Thomas

    The British and the Canadians didn't really burn the White House to the ground. Though they did burn it pretty good. The bones of the building did survive. And speaking as an American, I'm glad we never attacked the UK, because then we'd never have your greatest innovation- Dr. Who.

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  • A Man

    2 years ago

    A Man

    @ G R Lambert - I can only suppose you are an American imposter, for no true Brit would say such rubissh implying the Yanks saved us. We would of survived quite nicely from our fortress isle and watched the Nazis and Soviets destroy eachother in Europe, before probably ahving to make peace - but at no point after October 1940 would we have been under threat of occupation. Various studies have shown that a Nazi invasion was never viable and with the support of our dominions around the globe a relatively normal existence was possible. It is correct to suppose that if it were not for Britain the rest of Europe would be speaking either German or Russian, as without Britain as a base, the territory won in North Africa and her miltary support, no invasion could have been launched against any enemy dominating Mainland Europe. As for the programme - I thought it was rather dull, abit of something out of nothing if you will. The casualities inflicted on NYC, Boston and other coastal cities by the Navy would have been horrific and would soon of forced the Americans to make peace.

  • Charlie R

    2 years ago

    Charlie R

    I’ve just seen the April 2012 replay of this thought-provoking programme. True, these were technical war games and the programme cites no discussion of possible leads in to war. But, when US or British imperialists have wanted to seize territory, they’ve regularly engineered a pretext – often one which sounds quite noble. During the period of these war games (and subsequently) the US repeatedly invaded Central American and Caribbean countries. Many of these US war games have had a very real application. Could a US motive for invading Canada ever have arisen? In the 1898 Spanish-American War, the US had invaded and seized for itself the Spanish colonies of Cuba, Philippines, Guam and Puerto Rico (the last two remaining US colonies today). Seizing Canada from a European empire likewise fits fine with the Monroe Doctrine. It wasn’t only the US which had been recently seizing other empires’ colonies. Britain had just massively expanded its empire through the large African colonies it seized from Germany during the First World War plus Palestine, Jordan and Iraq seized from Turkey. Plus the mineral rich Boer colonies in South Africa from c 1900. In terms of recent advances in the world Lebensraum stakes, in 1930 Britain might plausibly seem the expansionist top dog which the US needed to defeat in its quest to become top dog itself. Subsequently…one compelling US motive for fighting on the European front in World War Two was to forestall an even larger Communist conquest of Europe than actually occurred. Had Japan not attacked the US (triggering an immediate Nazi declaration of war on US), the US could have faced quite a dilemma after Stalingrad. The cheapest US option for halting the Soviet conquest of all continental Europe might have been to pressure Britain to make peace with the Nazis, so the latter could concentrate on the Soviets. For this purpose, a lever of last resort would have been to threaten attack on Canada. Imagine: ‘The United States must reluctantly take action to prevent the resources of the New World being used to fuel continuance of a conflict which will destroy the Old World.’ As for the ‘special relationship’ between US and Britain, the truly special bit may be that nowadays it’s between a master and a slave nation which has been flattered into not recognising its slave role. When Reagan invaded British Commonwealth island Grenada in 1983 (same status as Canada!), he didn’t even tell his supposed soulmate Thatcher first. That’s a special relationship alright!

  • Lewis Brand

    2 years ago

    Lewis Brand

    Hilarious ! Where do I start ? Not only do the makers of this program not realize that loads of junior public servants ( in this case the U.S army ), are paid to construct childish hypothetical scenarios, the premise of this program is nonsense. In 1812, Britain and Canada managed to burn the White House to the ground. This was after ( for political reasons ) the U.S, decided to try and "Invade" Canada. Why would the U.S actually want to conquer Canada, in the first place ? This program does not explore any real motives, except some perceived "chip on the shoulder" analysis. As for the assumption that all "changing of the guard" between emerging and declining powers incurs conflict between them, is totally incorrect ; many civilizations have simply fallen by the wayside due to apathy, corruption, poor organization etc. What is most interesting, however, is the fact that the Canadian strategy would have been similar to 1812, kick the U.S where it hurts, in the economic underpants of the great lakes/ New York area, whilst invading Oregon and Washington state to start two fronts. Who on earth really thinks Winnipeg is something worth capturing ? I doubt many Canadians do.

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  • Jake Sanderson

    2 years ago

    Jake Sanderson

    what about germay. Hitler was of course planing war in europe and if the USA had gone to war with britain then germany may have won in europe as britain did not support its fellow eurpean countries and did not prolong the war allowing the USA to join it. Germay did not want to go to war with britain and so may have send what was now a powerful army and navy into the Americas in support of the British. As well as this the Japanese may have also seen there chance to attack the USA early and so ripping appart the US forces from multiple sides.

  • Robert J. Dougherty

    2 years ago

    Robert J. Dougherty

    Wow, as an American I have to say I am shocked. Not at the video but at the comments. It's rather funny to see that it wasn't that plan itself that's causing all the uproar but the outcome! I am sure that if it would have been different I'd be reading "That's right we'd whip those yanks good!" But the facts remain, it wasn't even a valid war plan it was an exercise drafted up to UNDERSTAND what would be needed for the USA to defend the Atlantic. The majority of you seem to understand this fact and I applaud those that do. What chaps my hide is this hogwash of "they need to be thankful"..."we gave them Irish" or "Americans are jealous of the British and what we had". WOW! So let me ask you this bud. If I ever do come to the realization that I need to be thankful does that mean you're willing to take the blame of our mistakes? Now the "we gave them the Irish" comment hits a little closer to home. Myself being American Irish. Now if that was a little joke, again, applaud. Now go work out the crap in your head before you start poking fingers about. If it wasn't well maybe you should read about the Potato Famine and the reasons it happened, because that's when my family arrived. You know there isn't anywhere in this world where we can be 'American'. Even here in the States it's "I'm Irish-American" "African-American" "German-American". It's like the world won't let us be American until we do something perceived as wrong. THEN suddenly do we become "American". As for the jealous comment maybe you're on to something. I know from my own personal experience that I have never seen any form of ill will towards you fellas. I've seen respect, I've seen a sense of brotherhood, A sense of shared blood both on and off the battlefield, and a crazy infatuation with your history that is taught throughout our school system and beyond. There isn't one night you could watch television without it being there. I mean sure we chuckle about tea time and raise an eyebrow at your endless amount of etiquette for nearly every situation under the sun. But the bottom line is "Hey, we like you." And as for Iraq you can blame USA all you want but the blunt and ultimate truth of that is your good old Government could have said no and stayed out of it. And that really is the bottom line isn't it? Either way good luck out there guys and if we ever do meet on a battlefield I hope it's under terms of friendship and if not like one of America's favorite films; Monty Python and the Holy Grail, "I fart in your general direction".

  • Marshall

    over 2 years ago

    Marshall

    I don't think the programme tells all the right FACTS. Looks al the amount of Brittish colonies out their, not including the countries ruled by Britan. And another thing, Britan went to into WW1 because of our relationship with the French, so I think the French would have been on Britans side, and they had an empire of their own. So America would have been up against 2 world powers. Not to mention that America would have lost vital suppy lines or trade by being at was with both the Brittish and French, and if the Mexicans where involved them too. So America would have had somethink like 4.6/7 million armed forced against them, not including Navy or Airforced. I think America would have lost due to the cost of the war, the lose of trade, and the nations they where going up agianst. Britan didn't atttack powerfull nations. Our Empire was built on top of old ones. We colonised parts of Africa, Asia, and America, and took countries which where rich in resourses, but unable to unlock them, which we did and sout the benefits from it. Our Empire was built when the USA was colonising Central America, the wild west and all that. America colonised it and then relised that we had colonised the world when the where taming their wildness. So the Americans where jealous of the British and what we had.

  • John Evans

    over 2 years ago

    John Evans

    I've just watched this programme along with the Worlds Biggest Bomb. Channel 5 does not need to stoop to reality programmes like Big Brother to compete with the other terrestrial channels . More documentaries like this will do the trick.

  • Bill Major

    over 2 years ago

    Bill Major

    Fascinating prog. Those who cite the USA's being joined at the hip to the UK through blood and history -the special alliance -forget that until 1900 it was 50/50 whether German would be the language of the USA. Many US citizens had no love for the British - they had left a backward, intolerant Europe in the 17th and 18th and 19th centuries. I agree with those who commented that other fronts might have been opened. The Panama Canal would have been occupied [taken from the USA]. Mexico was an old enemy of the USA -they might have thought of retaking Texas & New Mexico etc? Pearl harbour would have been a target for Australia/NZ & the Indian forces. Japan might have decided to go early too [either attacking USA or UK bases? Alaska too might have been taken by Canada/UK? I don't think that the UK, head of the Empire would have allowed Canada, a jewel in the Imperial crown to remain with the USA. The comment about Jutland being misread was incorrect -Jutland was a stalemate, the only victory was the decision by the Germans to never emerge again from their ports. The Americans had the capacity to build and rebuild their navy. Did they have the oil to fuel the navy? If Mexico attacked Texas they might lose their local oil supply. Oh by the way, the UK had the German refugee nuclear scientists and, given time, might have developed guess what before the US could?

  • DJN

    over 2 years ago

    DJN

    Has anybody discovered the British war plan to attack the USA yet ? - probably secret for a few more years yet !!!

  • melinda

    over 2 years ago

    melinda

    do you know that america is secretly send canadians into sheffield and have been doing so for a long time to steal and take over the steel industry in sheffield in the uk. Canadians are mostly the people involved. They come from Trinidad where they are doing the same then go to the uk...shocking stuuf but its true

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  • mike

    over 2 years ago

    mike

    CHINA HAS ALREADY WON THE NEXT 'WAR' - they already have massive control across America and Europe as they have ALL the money! Like it or not the USA is now facing a sharp decline similar to that of GB post WW1. Only the Amercians dont seem to have woken up to this fact - yet

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  • harley

    over 2 years ago

    harley

    It would of put brake on many u.s. science/tech idea's, as the chest of secrets would not of been sent to washington. Interesting to mull over all the maybe's. Good show liked it lots.

  • Ryan Williams

    over 2 years ago

    Ryan Williams

    What we have to take into account is that it would not OLY be Britian as most commonWealth nations would rise up against America. By this America would fall deeper into depression as the United Arab Emerates who control a lot of the worlds oil is in the commonwealth. Combine this with the better naval fleet that Britian had and it would be a victory to Britian. Though saying that Amarica's sheer numbers would count for something.

  • Ted

    over 2 years ago

    Ted

    This program was entertaining but conveniently left out so much. Japan would not have sat idle. Latin America including Mexico may have become involved so U.S may have been fighting on both it's borders. Many of the UK's colonies and outposts were not even mentioned. What would Germany have done? What would France have done while it's interests and kin were being attacked in Canada? The U.S would have been fighting on more fronts than this program discusses. The U.S had few friends and little in the way of alliances at that time. Quite the opposite in fact. It would NOT have been a stalemate. Especially being the aggressor once blood was in the waters the U.S would have been taking on far more of the world's forces than this program would lead you to believe.

  • John

    over 2 years ago

    John

    What a bunch of total rubbish. People today weren't there in WWII (myself included), and are completely clueless how depserate those times were 70 years ago. The US and UK were joined at the hip then and still are. How completely brain dead, idiotic, anyone float the idea that somehow US and UK would fight a war at that time. Oh, I know what brain dead idoits would float this rubbish -- the Obama administration and their little dust up with the UK.

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  • W.J.B

    over 2 years ago

    W.J.B

    Been reading the comments about the programe,found them intrersting,so thought I'd send in my two cents worth,being an armchair general ! so here we go. When the Blues were drawing up their plans,did the concider what would happen when the Reds Navies started to attack the ports and shipping along both the east and west coast's ? remember Canada has a navy too ! as well as Aussies, the New Zealand ! and dont forget India! With the Royal Navy and the Canadain navy. in the Atlantic - the combined British fleets in the Parcific ! the US navy wiould be hard pressed to take us all on, and at the same time support their troops when they try to invade Canada. As for getting Japan invold ! don't think we would want them with us after the way they were actting in Indo-china,-then again what if the Japaneese were to attact the phillippines,on their own , taking advantage of the situation, this would really give Washington some thing to think about With the navies bombarding the East and West coast's ports,the US public could become city's in a state of panic. forcing the US Govt. to sue for peace

  • W.J.B

    over 2 years ago

    W.J.B

    Been reading the comments about the programe,found them intrersting,so thought I'd send in my two cents worth,being an armchair general ! so here we go. When the Blues were drawing up their plans,did the concider what would happen when the Reds Navies started to attack the ports and shipping along both the east and west coast's ? remember Canada has a navy too ! as well as Aussies, the New Zealand ! and dont forget India! With the Royal Navy and the Canadain navy. in the Atlantic - the combined British fleets in the Parcific ! the US navy wiould be hard pressed to take us all on, and at the same time support their troops when they try to invade Canada. As for getting Japan invold ! don't think we would want them with us after the way they were actting in Indo-china,-then again what if the Japaneese were to attact the phillippines,on their own , taking advantage of the situation, this would really give Washington some thing to think about With the navies bombarding the East and West coast's ports,the US public could become city's in a state of panic. forcing the US Govt. to sue for peace

  • JB

    over 2 years ago

    JB

    An American contributor (Dr John H Maure - US Naval War College) to this programme at the start comments " Its important to remember that the United States was born out of a revolutionary struggle against Britain. Our national anthem the Star Spangled Banner is about how Americans successfully defended Baltimore against a British assault, but the tune “Anacreon” comes from John Stafford Smith (1750-1836) who was a choirboy at Gloucester Cathederal. They seem to forget that they've never done it alone and are always late. Thanks for nothing Yanks. We gave you the Irish to settle and control your land, a language which you abuse, democracy (?), still support you and think you are our friends. They are so ungratefull. What have they ever done for us. The atomic bomb, GM foods, Microsoft, Leemans, and President Reagan and Bush. Just to mention a few. "No wonder the world thinks their a danger to themselves and the rest of us if they cannot even understand their own history, let alone the rest of the worlds history. They need to understand they've never done it alone. The Americans consistanty never fail to amaze me in their ignorance and belief in their own self importance. What chance do we have if their educated and finest believe and spout off without good research and believe in fables, folklore, and fiction. They should stop using Hollywood for their reference material. I bet they believe Saving Private Ryan is real. The Americans will get it right, so the phrase goes, in the end, once they've tried everything else. If Homer Simpson is what they send us next time, God bless America, and save us all. Doh!!

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  • Wargamer

    over 2 years ago

    Wargamer

    What would Japan have been doing while Britain and America slugged it out in the Atlantic ? I suspect that Japan would have allied with Britain (reviving its old pre-WW1 alliance) with the objective of taking the Phillippines for itself. Swapping the Philippines for Canada (best case) wouldn't appeal much to the Americans, and their fleet couldn't match the British in the Atlantic AND the Japanese in the Pacific at the same time. I think the Americans would have backed down in the face of an Anglo-Japanese alliance, probably with the British letting them save face by throwing them some trivial concessions.

  • g r lambert

    over 2 years ago

    g r lambert

    What a very interesing programe glad we are still very good allies and always will be should it not be for the u s a we us in great britain could now be speaking german

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  • Bored Engineer

    over 2 years ago

    Bored Engineer

    Some interesting comments above and a relatively interesting program. However, like some have suggested, i do not agree that the British Empire would have simply turned around and said "keep Canada" after bottlenecking the American East cost. It fails to consider the Austalian Fleets and forces based in the Pacific areas protecting interests such as Hong kong, Singapore, etc and would be the basis to shell the West coast. The truth is, America would need to attack Canada at a very specific time, and given how cold the Canadian Winters are, a similiar scenario to Germany invading the Soviet Union. Thankfully, never occurred, however i think it is highly inconceivable that America would have been able to launch a successful and sustained attack, given a lot of resources are imported into the USA.

  • Batezy

    over 2 years ago

    Batezy

    I thought that was a clever point by the narrator in reference to China..... Lets just hope that it does go smoothly!

  • DAN the Man

    over 2 years ago

    DAN the Man

    The Royal Navy and the RAF world have sorted the yanks out promptly.

  • Joseph

    over 2 years ago

    Joseph

    Does anyone know when this will be repeted on TV?

  • Ebenezer

    over 2 years ago

    Ebenezer

    Only the Canadian western seaboard would have really interested the USA in that Alaska could then have been linked with the USA's north-western states. Can't see any other logic. USA's 1930's Nazi element VERY interesting! Ouch! Today I'd concern myself with how much good in the Middle East the current White House incumbent will be allowed by the loony USA Right to achieve. He made all the right noises at the start of his presidency. Let us hope he can get the USA back on course, maybe after 2012?

  • John

    over 2 years ago

    John

    'War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothin' - Edwin Starr.

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  • Andy

    over 2 years ago

    Andy

    Indeed, but the basic flaw is that the Americans were fighting the next war like the last war References to Verdun and Jutland expose this. If anyone learnt a lesson at Jutland it was the Royal Navy I stand to be corrected, but the American navy had never at that stage been involved in anything like Jutland (their supposition about its outcome implies this) I think the Royal Navy would have fought differently to the way the american planners had assumed Wherther this would have made a difference to the ultimate outcome is another question

  • John

    over 2 years ago

    John

    It seems to me that it was more than merely "hypothetical", more of a "possibility" really. Especially as America had those airbases built on the Canadian border, sent lots of troops to those areas, and had authorised the use of chemical weapons. Interesting, the Irish Americans and Nazi Americans would have been shoulder to shoulder against the British, the outcome according to the programme would have been basically Canada would have been dissolved into the US with no more Canada. How ironic Irish Americans were in support that being the case!

  • Newmacfan

    over 2 years ago

    Newmacfan

    It did happen, just in a different way, the mission was accomplished, Germany saved the confrontation and bloodshed between the two nations. Economically the Empire was brought to its knees in various ways, procrastination, incurred long term debt. It still continues today. Economic warfare is alive and well.

  • Le Ricain

    over 2 years ago

    Le Ricain

    Richard Jones, please see my post above. The Plan for fighting Britian & Japan was Plan Red Orange. It is important to note that these plans were in-house military exercises and were never sanctioned by the Federal government.

  • Mark Rowlands

    over 2 years ago

    Mark Rowlands

    The Royal Navy never staioned a major battlefleet in Singapore. The dockyard was built to accomodate capital ships sent from the UK when the situation demanded. The only time this was done was in 1941, when HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse were sent to deter the Japanese (and were promptly sunk). I do not think that the RN could have challenged the USN both in the Atlantic and in the Pacific. The Washington Naval Treaties resulted in rough parity between the two navies, and given geography and logistics the advantage would surely have been with the Americans.

  • Lochandubh

    over 2 years ago

    Lochandubh

    This is nothing more or less than Kriegspiel, it is not in any way a dedicated and sanctioned plan on the part of the US to attack Britain. Interesting, but nothing else.

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  • Richard Jones

    over 2 years ago

    Richard Jones

    Interesting programme. Remember reading about the "secret" air bases on the border. Agree with JP comments above - no mention in programme. Although was there a ring fenced Pacific Fleet based there in the 1930s? However, brings us onto Japan - would we have rekindled the Anglo-Japanese Alliance in the event of war with the US? Drawing on the programme's conclusion, would we allowed Canada to suffer as an act of appeasement like we did with Czechoslovakia? Doubt it. Interesting end point with the peaceful transition of an old empire to a new one with the shots of China.

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  • Le ricain

    over 2 years ago

    Le ricain

    Plan Red allowed for the loss of the Philippines to the Royal Navy.

  • Le Ricain

    over 2 years ago

    Le Ricain

    It appears that the producers have taken a planining exercise and made a case for a war plan. Case Red would have been done by the military without any direction from the government. Other 'colour' plans of the period were: White (Domestic Uprising), Green (Mexico), Gray (Various Caribbean Nations), purple (Various Central America Nations), Orange (Japan), Gold (France, Britain & canada), Red Orange (Japan + Britain) and Black (Germany).

  • JP

    over 2 years ago

    JP

    What about the UK Pacific Fleet based in Singapore ? We had a lot of troops in Asia at that time. No mention of bombardment of the west coast cities after the taking of Hawaii and Pearl Harbour, to cause the US to divert their attack on the East Coast.

  • Old Sapper

    over 2 years ago

    Old Sapper

    What no one seems to have taken into account was that the number of American pro neo-nazis in America at the time, if directed by the German spies, would have been a thorn in the side of the American forces, along with internal sneak strikes by Canadians. This plan was never, and could never be a land campaign alone.

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