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First broadcast at 21:00 3 Feb 2014
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Discussion programme in which experts debate the controversial subject of benefits.
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1 month ago
I would have liked to have heard what Jack Munroe had to say about life on benefits: between Edwina Currie and Matthew Wright she hardly got a word in edgeways.
A good, informed debate shouldn't involve professional "trolls".
we need to address the D L A benefit , a lot of people who are in receipt are not entitled e.g heroin addicts,suffering from depression,alcoholics,not mentally handicapped, these people who claim £1.200 per month with children DO NOT have to pay council tax, when people on J S A benefit who get £284.00 per month have to pay council tax and extra costs e.g bedroom tax. This does not make any sense to me, why do people on more money have to pay less than people on less money? some of these people claiming D L A are not disabled they pretend to be disabled as a way of getting out of working because they are lazy! we need stricter rules for people who want to this D L A benefit!
Also young mothers having children not putting fathers name on birth certificate e.g ‘not known’ as a way of claiming single parent benefit is another fiddle to the benefit system, of cause they know who the fathers are, they had a relationship with them to conceive , a lot of these so called single parents DO have the fathers living with them mostly working and still claiming benefits on the side what a good life there having!. If they put ‘not known’ on birth certificate they should receive the same J S A as every body else because they don’t have to do anything to receive money e.g job search or go to sign on every two weeks, same applies with the D L A benefit.
There are so many different benefits for people to claim what they lack in brains they get in money, lets attack these people! to cut some benefit costs.
DON’T attack the pensioners these people deserve the money the most they have payed there stamp for x amount of years in my view they deserve the money the most.
My partner has been waiting for an operation since last august. His sick pay has run out and so has his statuary sick pay so now he's got to go on benefits. We have asked the council for a council tax rebate but they said because of this benefit and my wages which I get minimum wage we earn to much to get a council rebate. But if I quit my job and was on benefits an lived in a council house we would be able to claim lots of things. Which is wrong. There are people out there which claim benefits which have never payed into the system please can someone tell me how that is right. I am a hairdresser and speak to the general public on a daily basis an everyone agrees that people on benefits know how to work the system so they can claim every benefits going. This country is messed up. We struggle to pay our bills but the government is basically saying tuff. Please tell why this is right.
Cost of living and tax need to drop...working tax age should drop back down from 25 to 18...21...people moan about tax payers money going out to people 50quid a week..how much do we pay for wars or assisting in iraq and aiding other countrys like india that went and spent our aid money on some space rocket...all the 3rd world countrys government keeping the money for themselves i stead of their people we should put money into charitys actully helping them building water wells ect not just falking out to their government and we clearly need to sort our own country out first.....all the prisoners loving jail rather than being on benifts because they have it easy....prisoners get treated better than the elderly and its a joke.
Haven't been tuned in long to the programme but it would be good to highlight to the public the difference between immigration from EU countries and the expensive, restricting procedures non EU immigrants have to go through to be with their English wife or husband . It's not a fair or easy route at all but never seems to be highlighted
If anyone believes that the problem with the country is due to benefits they are delusional considering that only 10 10% was paid to the people that need it the rest is paid to the people in charge and the politicians these people are not to blame can we get the politicians to be honest about the money they spent lets expose those that have plenty and still rob the system there selfs be real
2 months ago
Not sure about the ethics of advertising thousands of jobs with the army during this particular debate. This is opportunist and manipulative. Why not thousands of jobs created without the killing or being killed bit? It would be just as easy - it's just a matter of motive. As easy as capping rents across the board. As easy as taxing high earners and levelling the playing field. As easy as supporting and creating community and empowering people to lead happy lives. It's a matter of motive.
Absolute balls! I have mental health issues AND i work! You get on with it because you have to survive!
People who have paid in are entitled to a pay out. End of!
If you are not a UK citizen then you should not be entitled to a UK pay out... No other country is as much of a walk over as we are!
Myself like so many am in a situation of being a single mother due to failed relationship after children were born. I am a divorcee, before you make the comments. Not many people go out there intending on raising children alone. The fathers move on with their lives and don't help financially. I worked for the last 30 years. putting my tax in the pot. not claiming much for help. Here is a tip for government, why not put cap on how much rent landlords are allowed to charge, and the charges for child care. They are suppose to help mothers, as fathers try and avoid their responsibilities. I can't help thinking that the country want children on the street begging, people living on the streets with their families. Mothers do want to work and want better for themselves, but can't survive. Mothers are being hounded when the biggest thefts are done by those who have money. Conservatives always makes living in England worst and always looks for scape goats to mask what they are doing. people are so gullible. Wake up and see what is really going on.
This programme was nothing if it wasn't enlightening. Real people with real worries left adrift on benefits, some of whom have never had to do so before and find themselves in a position they didn't want and can't get out of.
Meanwhile, Edwina Curry, no matter how disgusting her performance and sheer lack of any conscience whatsoever, gave out the present Tory spin - rule and divide by blaming the poor and encouraging the rest of u to cheer on whilst the poor are ripped apart in this tragic roman style lions arena.
Nonetheless, she was honest about her views and we should all take note. Our local Tory MP simply hides his head under the parapet and refuses to debate, in the local paper or any other forum and has successfully closed threads on the local community website by doing nothing except to say everyone is lying.
Make them get up there and justify themselves locally! They're not gods and they deserve to be brought down for what they are. On present election figures they speak for no-one. they use one election law for breaking strikes and another for their own ends.
Lets have this debate on every street corner, in every local community centre and make these idiots attend. Make them accountable. At the moment they're happy lauding it with their expenses at our expense and it has to change.
Danielle Rowland.....Your point was about how the benefits system works against people who claim tax credits and having to pay back money if they work extra hours ie they have to work 50 hours if they are to make enough money after paying back the credits....Maybe people dont realise but many people who dont claim benefits HAVE to work 50 + hours anyway to survive. I work for the NHS in a full time job AND I had to take and extra job on top meaning I was working 5 days a week from 8 till 9 at night just to make ends meet and pay my mortgage.
I wouldn't call this a debate. I would call this an opportunity to bring up subjects for debate but no one but Katie Hopkins and Edwina Curie got to actual speak. These are also most likely the two most uninformed people on this programme. You need people who have been in both situations to speak, such as; Jack Monroe. I also have worked all my life and now am having to claim benefits because of health problems. I think people should be allowed to give their own background and then be able to voice a clear, concise opinion on the benefits system or the problems within. It is no wonder, with all the name calling and ignorance on the stage, that someone as informed and brave as Jack Monroe lost her cool and used the "F" word. Does Edwina even realise what Jack has been through in her life? Obviously not, because as Miss Monroe said herself; "If you have to make up personal insults then you have lost the argument."
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immigrants should not be able to claim because they have come here to work
I agree with Sturcol way above about the fat one ithe front row,gobbing off at Edwina Currie demanding she give her a job innit..currie is right, the like of her wont do or find a job as most of the immigrants seem to do because she thinks its too below her to do the jobs immigrants ar happy to do
If this Hopkins woman doesn't like paying for benefits then leave. She's full of complaints, but never offers any help to her unfortunate victims.
I have recently joined the single Mom on benefits brigade. Until a couple of months ago I was part of a working family that claimed a small amount of tax credits to help make ends meet. I have a teenager and two children under 3. My ex partner has developed problems with drink and has anger problems so after much heartbreaking deliberation I have moved out in order to protect us all. I feel the stigma of being a claiming single parent. It is awful that we are all portrayed as being money grabbing, lazy, scroungers who choose to sit at hone watching Jeremy Kyle. I was not treated with the same contempt when I was a stay at home Mom as part of a couple. I believe that I am right where I am supposed to be right now. Loving, educating and nurturing my babies. To be able to cover nursery fees and all of my living costs I would have to earn around £2500/ month which would mean leaving my baby and toddler in a childcare facility for 10 hrs a day. Who exactly does that benefit. I have worked my entire adult life until I had my little ones and will return to work as soon as I'm able but right now I am happy to struggle on benefits in order to focus on my main priorities. I will not be affording any foreign holidays, wide screen tv's or frivolous items. I'll be lucky if I can manage new shoes for the new school year! Should I really be made to feel like a social outcast by the working-class for this?
Perhaps if we didn't tolerate failed government so meekly they would get off their idle backsides and reform the whole rotten economy top to bottom we wouldn't even be having such a debate. As far as Welfare Reform goes they can't say that they are short of people putting ideas forward.
New government welfare policies over the last 4 decades have been aimed at attacking the effect of the problem not the root cause and that is because the government are the root cause. Housing costs were allowed to become extortionate in the 1980s and pay just hasn't kept up with the overall cost of living - something Ed Miliband is all too aware having been in a government that failed just as miserably as their fellow middle class predecessors.
Go ahead grow a spine and sanction people's benefits and push them into crime because as soon as the cost of government borrowing goes up just a small amount it will all be irrelevant as Crap Britain wakes up to it's own version of the holocaust.
This war between the low paid and unemployed has been engineered by govenment controlled media to deflect attention away from the real culprits of unfairness who are just sat back laughing at you all tearing each other to pieces.
For goodness sake do yourselves a favour, educate yourselves and study some facts, the lies are all there to be seen. That is what I spend some of my time doing since I got fed up of my benefits being stopped whilst doing voluntary work for the NHS - so much for the 'big society' eh Mr Cameron. Don't work for nothing you still are classed as a scrounger by the benefits staff and once employers know you will do it why the hell would they pay you when they can just get another volunteer or work experience student?
If the pay doesn't cover your housing, children, food and bills then you only have your self to blame for accepting such a bad deal or failing to negotiate a better rate for your skills. Don't blame the unemployed just because you are too thick or lazy to see the real picture, many of them have already been ripped off by zero hours contracts working for Mickey Mouse set ups and again condoned by government who perpetuate the lie: any job is better than no job, therefore why do MPs get more than minimum wage and why do lawyers, bankers and CEOs need such high wages compared with everybody else. Another despicable trick that has become prevalent amongst British firms is laying people off and then redefining the role so they can re-recruit at much lower salaries.
Of all the groups responsible for things not working very well in the UK right now, the unemployed are nowhere near the top of the list they just an easy target for those who cannot be bothered to see past the end of their noses.
The problem with this programme is that it contained too many shouty benefits claimants and not enough of the people who pay for it all. As for the fat one shouting "give me a job innit" - that just shows why nobody would employ her.
What a dreadful, embarrassing programme. I watched it in the hope of some informed debate and lost an hour of my life. Suggest you don't make the same mistake.
Myself and my husband both work full-time. We have a 4 year old daughter. We pay our rent/bills/childcare and have no assistance from anyone.
I agree with Katie Hopkins in some points. It is disheartening going to work 12-14 hr shifts, paying childcare rent bills, when others don't want to. I was advised that i would be better off not working and claim more than my monthly salary in benefits. i want to work and was raised you work for your money, you don't get nothing for free. Well it appears you do!
The quite gobby young lady with pink lipstick in front row annoyed me the most. 'It's my right to have children.' Yes it is your right to have them, and support and provide for them also. To be quite honest the way she spoke to Edwina was rude. Would you want someone working with you, who would fly off the handle if a comment was made. No.(That's why she can't 'find' work.)
I think childcare costs is a huge issue. I don't think parents should be paid to look after their own children. (Which is that case at times.)
I would like another child, but financially i can't afford it. My maternity pay is poor and could not survive on husbands wages alone. Luckily i had savings for my first child and used that. I did claim anything!
I don't want and will not be someone elses burden. I want to support my family with my husband with our hard earned money. Not to be given handouts.
Immigration- no claims should be honoured in first year at least. i appreciate that some immigrants do come and work, but a few abuse the system and 'create children and circumstances in order to claim.' I think any immigrants proven to provide a false claim should be deported regardless. Plus i think its too easy to claim benefits. Have a baby, get benefits and house. Poor attitude to have. Too many youngsters getting pregnant expecting to take take take from system. This needs to addressed. But think it's too late as some generations are passing on bad ways and it will only get worse.
Pity Ken Livingston had to leave so soon. He made some good points about housing costs. Housing benefit paid on high rents just goes straight in the bank accounts of landlords who are the ones milking the system. We need to get the price of housing down.
There was one comment at the beginning of the show where the guy said people were commuting past people getting benefits but failed to see the point that the person they are passing might have had a partner die, has lived there all their life and could have been paying a mortgage for years and through no fault of their own find themselves on benefits with no experience or education to find work. The Jobcentre doesn't fin you work it tries to find a way to take our right to benefits away from you through deceit
if Katie Hopkins feels that the people want to sit on there backsides just claiming benefit she is deeply mistaken. I have worked continuously for the last 28yrs. I was on the dole for 7 months climbing the walls wanting a job. the only jobs which was on offer was for a pound an hour. this was lost due to not being in 2 different parts of the country at the same time. I walk the streets of Birkenhead looking for work and found a job for £45 per wk and had to work a week in hand.the average weekly benefit was £37.50 you do the maths .young people today if making a mistake are treated that there is no way out of the system of benefit as employers will not take a chance in such hard times on difficult teens who may be living with hidden problems. so they see the only way forward is to get deeper into trouble selling drugs or steeling. now if Katie Hopkins and people like her where to be put in the same situation I would ask how they may fair when everything is taken away from them would they end up on benefits?
I'm disabled & not getting any benefits even though we live well below the poverty line. The only benefit I was getting was Disability Living Allowance until june when the system changed to PIP & since then I've been trying to apply for the new replacement benefit which is too complicated to apply for if your seriously disabled & don't have help to fill in forms, they also insist every year I have to get it renewed, yet my medical conditions are permanent, worsening & there's no cures & every year the DWP send 1 of there doctors to visit me & check me out. What a waste of money reassesing someone like me so often, yet I know of people that haven't been reassesed in over 10 years & in that time there medical conditions have improved or got better & there still getting every benefit. The more the government makes it harder to apply & fill in benefit forms, the less real disabled people get benefits, as they are the real ones that suffer & are also the ones with little or no voice to protest. But on the statistical figures it looks great as less people are then claiming disability benefits. At the end of the day if people are scaming & not really that sick/ disabled it's not going to be a problem for them to fill in complicated forms. Although I don't get benefits I have applied for them several times (but never got them) & as a disabled person I found it a nightmare applying for loads of separate different benefits to the different DWP departments & the local council & giving them most of the same information over & over again. If all benefits were joined together so claiments only had to apply & fill in one form it would make it easier for disabled people plus it would make it easier for the DWP & councils to find fraudulent claimants. But the government is probably afraid of doing that as they fear the benefit bill could go up rather than down. But there would be additional bureaucracy savings as claimants wouldn't have to be assessed on the same information by loads of different people & departments. But if the government did that would more people be encouraged to claim? Also why do people get Child benefits just because they have a child. If you can't afford to have a child, like me, don't have children. Why should tax payers pay for other peoples choices to have children. It's not fair that wealthy people get Child benefits when disabled sick people like me get nothing & have to live in extreme poverty. The welfare system needs rethinking & most importantly it needs to be fair, especially for the most vulnerable in society, whom are the ones with little voices.
I have just watched this programme and I feel really defeated. The welfare programme is there to help those who for no fault of their own, require state assistance to get them through a bad time. There were those who complained that wages were too low, even accepting the minimum wage schedule was a legal statute. There were those who said the calibre of job was too low for them to consider. I run a business with 5 full time employees and 5 part-time employees (their choice as the hours suit them). My husband and I work for the business, I work 6 days in the business and I do catch up paperwork or CPD training on a Sunday. I have not had a holiday for 4 years and my husband and I between us do not earn the national average wage for a single person. There are probably many small companies operating this way. I pay my PAYE/NIC obligation every month, I pay my VAT obligation every quarter and my Corporation Tax annually. I was shocked to find out that I pay more Corporation Tax every year than the likes of Starbucks, Thames Water and all of the power companies. I am sickened that our Government allows families to have a better standard of living than two hard working and dedicated business owners. It should be impossible for a family on benefits to holiday overseas - this is a mockery of the work that I do every day and the financial obligation that I uphold every day to meet my fiscal responsibility.
Big Benefits Row was a truly awful programme. It is a genuinely important discussion and the programme turned it into a Jeremey Kyle episode. The presenter was awful and the crowd not balanced at all. I will watch Qusetion Time on BBC for informed debates.
I'm severely disabled & from 4 years ago I've been too sick to work but I don't qualify for benefits because of a loophole. I tried for years to work even though I was too sick, did self employment well below minimum wage just so I could eat & still paid taxes, some voluntary. My husbands on low pay & we get no assistance. Were living in terrible conditions, we had no hot water or heating for 6 months, but don't get any help other than our council sending in an agency carer twice a week for 1 hour. I was born here, paid taxes here & I'm a daughter of an iImmigrant. What annoys me most is people getting benefits that have never paid into the system & yet people like me who have paid into the systems get nothing. I think the government don't realise there's people like us out there, especially as we don't show up in any unemployment or benefit claimant statistics. Our only income is my husbands low paid wages, which won't go up & as the cost of living & bills go up how are people like us that don't get benefits supposed to cope? It also annoys me when people get benefits including disability because they say they can't do there original career choice & don't want to change career (I.e. office job). I have degrees, post grad degree & loads of qualifications, but I had to retrain, at my own expense, several times so I could work in other professions to earn money. At no point did I sit on my behind & collect benefits (which I could have done years ago) because I couldn't my original career. If your capable of some form of employment you should be actively seeking employment otherwise you shouldn't get benefits. But there needs to be better help & training for people seeking work & from my experience of my local Jobcentres they were hopeless & understaffed. In fact in my case some years ago they couldn't understand why as a disabled person I wanted to work. If there were better facilities & more trained staff at Jobcentres people would have more chance of employment. The Jobcentre system needs more investment. Most people on benefits do not want to be on benefits & want to get out of the benefit trap.
i work in residential lettings and have many housing benefit tenants, howeve most of the rent arrears that occur with h/b tenants is due to the system letting them down and not the tenant! government needs to sort out the system! its so sad that its so difficult.
Your showing of this was a complete flop,it had no gripping moments and basically the discussions where of no real importance.
There was no housing benefits issues were benefits are concerned because this is where the bulk of benefits are being fraudulently claimed.
There is only one way to stop fraudulenty claiming benefits and thats a random house call every 6 months on each claiment by the DWP.
Sorry but your show bored me stupid and I lost interest easily,maybe because of its host/presenter.
please get a legitimate presenter for a debate such as this. This is a serious subject and benefits are being claimed by too many people who have not deserving of them. Matthew Wright is like Jerry Springer or Jeremy Kyle, you can't take him seriously.
Get a serious journalist to tackle a serious problem.
(Your "moderator" will probably remove this post but it will just prove how mickey mouse this debate is tonight)
The biggest benefits scammers are the ones claiming disability I know loads people scamming money
The system the government to check was stopped
I see people jump out of there taxpayer funded cars come back with bags of shopping and guess what the tesco car park disabled spaces was full the other night the store was empty only elderly people pushing massive trolleys around when I enquirer they were te disabled clamp down on disabled benefits.
Many are scammers and why should they a new car no one else can afford
In all honesty i don't get why they even have debates likes this because NOTHING WILL BE DONE TO CHANGE THIS SYSTEM! It is set up like this for a reason. The government will never care for the poor or unemployed, they will ripped people down to there last sock! I am a working young adult who is 21, I've been working for 5 years and am still studying. Although this is suppose to be the RIGHT WAY, i still struggle to pay bills and i do not get to have a social life. You can not win because the pay is shit or they work you to death or make you work more than you are being paid for. i am sick of this country blaming it on people who are trying to get a job. YES THERE ARE SOME WHO SCOUNG but NOT ALL! The government need to sort themselves out.
The discourse used below the video was enough to turn me off straight away. The use of the word 'experts'. 2 false religions and the spoon feeding of the meaning of live perpetuated by government and media rhetoric, and in turn regurgitated by the public. Money and Authority. Both are designed to maintain the illusion of scarcity and inequality. Understand how reality is manufactured and you understand the con-spired approach to schooling the world with these universal falsehoods.
When you look in the mirror and your appearance governs which side of the bed you got out of, you will never understand how this has all been engineered.
Very disappointed with this program. Yes you can break down every benefit into a small percentage, such as 1% for unemployment, 1% for housing benefit, etc. Combine the individual figures and then come up with a real figure. I am an immigrant. I have lived here for 10 years and have been shocked at how open people are at cheating the system. This is not just benefits, this is claiming whiplash for minor accidents etc. I have met many people in my time here and have not come across one who I would feel deserves some form of benefit. I have met hundreds who find ways and conspire amongst their friends to claim for things such as housing, child, disability, etc. Not as individual claims, but combined. Yes there are not many I have met who do not work, but those who I have met who do not, claim a combination of benefits totaling more than £1500 per month.
These nonsense figures that may be true, but are designed to lessen the wider impacts are bull. Forgive my language, but they are.
I come from a country where any benefit you receive is less than 1% of what you may earn if you work. No such thing as child benefit, or housing benefit. You do not have children if you cannot afford them. You place them up for adoption if you cannot. If you cannot afford a place to live, you build a shack and live illegally.
The people I work with earn varying salaries ranging from minimum wage to £50k per year. Of them, I have not met one who has not falsly claimed for something. The annoying thing is that when I raise my voice and point out to them that it is wrong, I am the one who is then treated as the criminal.
When I lost my job 3 years ago, I did not claim any benefit. I refused. I got off my arse and sold what I needed to survive. This bailout / caring culture needs to stop.
I was disappointed with this program. It is a shame as adults we failed to achieve a meaningful adult debate. I lay that blame at the feet of the obnoxious Katie Hopkins and Edwina Currie who lacks any morsel of empathy. They were able to hijack the direction of this debate with their right wing outdated imperialist dogma. Many of the questions we need answered weren't addressed fully or at all. We, the workers need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and stop believing what we are drip fed by big brother. Immigrants and those on jobseekers benefits (despite what our 'honest' politicians and 'impartial' media claim) are not the problem. It is truly EVIL that this country, (supposedly in the top eight economies of the world) can't solve the problem of an inequality in the standards of living. Despite what Edwina claims, there IS enough money to pay working people a living wage. It is EVIL that the Government promote an air of xenophobia by not actively discouraging the blame on immigrants taking our jobs. It is a consequence of GREED. Immigrants are exploited by big business who pay them less therefore businesses reduce their outgoings but increase their profits. The problem isn't that the natives don't want to do these jobs taken by immigrants. The truth is we can't afford to because of the cost of living. As for the Tory tag-line "just get a job" uttered by Katie and Edwina but previously by Esther McVey, we will 'get jobs' when there are enough jobs to go round, when those jobs pay a living wage and when employers stop making lame excuses like: 'you're under/over qualified' and actually offer real jobs that pay real money, not some sham zero hour contract or false-hope apprenticeship.
cheap chinese and pakistan indian inports made by children supporting tyrannical leaders with no regard for the labour laws of this country what has happened to the english morality what happened to the trade laws which stood for decades to stop this abuse to profit the few while million of working people are displaced birmingham textile hub highest rate unemployed liverpool leeds sheffilde and on and on we now see sweat shops paying below minimum wage in all these citys %52 of all house holds on some sort of benefit this is social engineering where capitalism meets communism stop cheap in ports invest 200 billion a year benefit money in to infrastructure job creation support you local traders stay out of supermarkets
As soon as Katie Hopkins spoke, my blood boiled. People like her don't know what it's like to be at rock bottom. She and people like her infuriate me!
A real debate.........with Katie Hopkins and Edwina Currie? Media clowns. I worked all my life. In my first job I was sexually attacked and when I told the supervisor I was told to 'say nothing or you'll lose your job.' As a young 18 year old girl I was so disgusted I left the job anyway. I took temp work as that way if any men did sex cr@p on me I didn't have to be there too long. Fast forward I started my own company and travelled the country, successful and self-supporting. I also became the legal guardian of a needy child and supported him for 18 years. Through overwork I suffered burnout and during the breakdown the past caught up with me and I re-lived the sexual abuse that actually started in childhood. I thought after therapy I'd be able to get back to work quickly. Not so.......the thought of going back to work in an office filled me with terror as I was afraid of more sexual attacks. I ended up having to claim benefit so I could exist, pay my rent, buy food etc. Obviously Edwina and Katie have no problem with using sex in the workplace to get on or get headlines. Selling their sex stories. So should we all just become whores.....media or otherwise to WORK HARD AND GET ON?
Deirdre Kelly behaved splendidly - the woman is bright, conversational and constructive in both her view and reply. Sadly the show was marred not only by Hopkins and Curry but also that damnable leftie woman in the audience who was chanting about working mothers and going on about that bottomless pit for charity, Africa. She should have been kicked out.
get rid of ATOS
I am a transwoman and I am having electrolysis, I get regular abuse because of the facial hair, as you have to let it grow for a few days at least so the electrologist can treat the hair, plus the problem is she can only treat a small area at a time, so there is still a lot of visible hair for a couple of days after the treatment, and because of this I get regular abuse and threats of violence, it is not rare either, it so frequent like nearly every second person I meet or at least it feels like it, I have suffered almost daily I am on anti depressants and am on ESA, like any woman who may have excessive facial hair life is not only scary but very dangerous, and you can't use make up when going to electrolysis because (A) the skin needs to be free of cosmetics and (B) cosmetics would render the hair to be untreated. As for reporting to the police, whats the point, they don't really treat transphobia seriously, I would like the government to explain how it would be safe for me to attend a back to work scheme as a woman with excessive facial hair given what I have received in hate crime whilst having this awful condition.
After watching this on demand, I have to say "what a load of rubbish" Why were people as obnoxious as Katie Hopkins, or Edwina Curry even invited to speak on this topic? The only reason I can see is to make I more watchable, not because either of these dreadful women know anything abut living in the 'real world'. I never thought I would say it but I have more respect for white Dee than them. I am absolutely disgusted with Channel 5 for making such a pathetic programme bout such a serious subject
White Dee conducted herself with class and dignity and throughout this debate compared to Katie Hopkins and Edwina Curry who shouted and screamed to try and get their outmoded views across . Well done Dee you are a good role model for your children I hope that you get over your troubles soon.
Katie Hopkins has never done a hard days work in her life, so what if people are on benefits, if they need the help then bloody help them, i find these programs disgusting because they target the vulnerable, poor and needy, most people are just looking for help not scrounging as they are portrayed, the fact is that there aren't that many people who are work shy, most of them want a job but cannot find one because it is so bloody difficult, the reality is that the government are just targeting benefits to avert your eyes for their own screw ups and by forcing people to pay for bedroom tax while on benefits is simply disgusting, they are forcing people into poverty and they don't care
Katie Hopkins is not a business woman. Having a limited company regisrered means nothing. Her business is her self and her mouth, which I have to say is up there with there with the channel tunnel. Her business makes money(or mostly doesn't) by her aim to be as offensive as possible to get her name known. So basically you just advertised her pretty well. Useful content and debate, however, was there none. It got you a couple of mil in viewers so well done for that but really some us tuned into to watch, what is called on forums, a troll in action. KH along with another questionable so called debater Edwina Curry give debating a really bad name. Do you really consider these two women in any way represent anyone? Oh please! Katie Hopkins is unemployable except in gutter journalism and I would seriously question using the word journalism to describe her bile. Ask around yourselves and find out what real work she has ever done. Edwina Curry isn't much better and it's a shame no one asked her what she was doing whilst being paid by the tax payer - well best not go there hmm? Pretty disgraceful behaviour from them both but of course tgat is why you chose them. However, bearing in mind the Jeremy Kyle references made both those women would much more suit that TV show than the vast majority of benefit recipients. Anyway as a result I came on here and read some very eloquent and interesting posts, which would have been more useful to hear than these two unhinged and vile people. Thank you to other posters for some interesting information and opinion. I hope the next 'baiting' session actually turns into a debate though as I doubt I will be a returning viewer otherwise.
I really would like to know where all the jobs are that I should be going to?
Last year I applied for 240 jobs. How many replies from employers? 1. One job interview and that turned out to be just a cosy chat and a week's course on health and safety at work quification that didn't lead to a job.
I am sick and tired of ignorant people calling unemployed people scroungers and work shy.
i think channel 5 should do more shows like this,it was good fun,very controversial and good for democrasy,i really enjoyed this programme so all the moaners go get a life.
the benefits system works against the poor. topping up a bad wage is an alternative to paying a good wage. if a good wage was paid people would have opportunity to work hard and get ahead in life. having a bad wage topped up with benefits means that if you try to work overtime or extra jobs u end up giving it back because you have your benefits cut. so rather than work 40 hours before you can earn extra you end up working 50 before you make any more
Having Katie Hopkins as a commentator on your show, is very short-sighted. She doesn't even try to appreciate or seriously debate the situation of anyone she thinks is below her social status. People are sick and tired of listening to her rants and in-excusable comments, one being about the people in Glasgow losing their life in the helicopter disaster and other hideously short-sighted and seriously coming close to comments that may incur legal proceedings. Big yell of yes for This Morning, for not including her in future shows and listening to public opinion....Let her live in La-la land. Understand you need a balance of backgrounds etc. but this woman should not be on any broadcasting site in the UK, but there must be better commentators than this ill informed and actually not that clever individual
A staged debate in favour of the status quo. While the trendy-left crowd seem to support both unbalanced mass net migration and more subsidised welfare consumerism, both are clearly unstainable and dependent on the proceeds of a service sector (banking, medai, advertising etc.) that will be first to suffer in a a global economic meltdown. Current growth is largely due to proerty speculation, banking and quantatitive easing. Far from cutting back, the public debt will rise to £ 1.5 trillion by end of 2014, proportionally higher than that of Italy, Greece or Spain. In addition we have mortgage debt and credit card debt as well as bank loans to foreign speculators unlikely to pay back.
I disagree with Ken Livingstone on many thinsg, but at least he mentioned the real tragedy, the outsourcing of British industry and de-skilling of the British working class. However, such politicians have turned a blind eye to the preverse logic of corporate globalisation that promotes cut-throat competition at the bottom end of the labour market and huge tax breaks at the other.
What we need are tightly regulated labour markets and balanced migration, so we can give people who grew up here a chance to do all those practical jobs that have been outsourced. Sadly that means paying more for essential goods and services and wasting less.
My story contrasts with many welfare recipients on the show. I was unemployed in 2002 and given a spurious psychiatric diagnosis that would have entitled me to incapacity benefits. An employment adviser actually recommened I take that route. I decided not to and was offered a tenporary job helping the long-term unemployment with alleged mental health problems. This was an eye-opener. Why have so few trendy left commentators challenged the assumptions that such conditions are somehow bilogically rather than psycho-socially determined. Why have so many young and middle aged Brits succumbed to a wide spectrum of personality disorders and /or drug abuse? Could it be because so many are deemed worthless unless they can succeeed in non-productive hot-air sector jobs ? Why do people feel so inadquate if they don't have a car, a smartphone and at least one holiday a year?
I refused to go on benefits, refused the medication and help the NHS wanted to give me and spent 3 years on very low pay, before I had acquired enough experience to work as a freelance software developer, paying over £11,000 a year in tax (£16,000 one year). I rent a small one bedroom flat without a penny in housing benefit.
Successive governments have prioritised short-term economic expediency and over building a viable and sustainable society. Sadly, they have created a debt bomb that will leave millions of welfare dependents penniless.
they need to change employers rules. employers can make up any excuse to not give you the job but of course they won't tell you in person. I am pretty sure when I have an interview they would think "oh you aren't pretty enough" or some rubbish like that. it is very easy for the haters to say "get a job" but who is going to give me one that's the problem
This world is going crazy with inverted snobbery..
On reading through many comments here I can't help but think of 'the story of your enslavement'. On the subject of pride and the 'strong work ethic' 'free-range slaves' comes to mind. There is a sick game being played out under the skin of our society, this benefit row is a drop in the ocean of control, divide and rule.
I have had my left leg amputated above the knee on the 12-12-2013 I have now got to go for a medical on the 24-01-2014 to see if I am disabled is this mad and a waste of money
The argument is invalid! The government need to get the public onside to issue the cuts, hence the propaganda against benefits!!! Expenses ARE benefits too!
Capitalism needs a section of society to be unemployed. Capitalism cannot work unless there are unemployed people! Capitalism only works for the rich and the ones who make the rules. The rest are slaves. But we are not - WE ARE FREE. Laws are made by people who says they control your lives and own you. I'm afraid nobody owns me and I would die contesting their belief that they 'own' me. We are the only creatures that pay to be alive - without choice - on this planet.
RESEARCH AGENDA 21!!!!
to Lovelife who said immigrants work here and then send money back home...where else are they supposed to send it? to you?! LOL! of course they send it back home, because they know what their responsibilities are as capable hard working adults - to provide for their families
For goodness sake. Going to a grammar school does not mean you are rich. You get in by passing an exam, not by paying your way in. I wish people would realise the difference between grammar and private...
@ Love life. Exactly. Many immigrants to send their money home where it is worth a lot more than it is here! British people need a wage that insures that we can survive in this country! THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH JOBS AVAILABLE FOR THE PEOPLE ALREADY HERE, WHETHER THEY BE BRITISH OF FOREIGN BUT STILL OUR SMALL ISLAND WELCOMES EVERYONE. EVEN THOUGH THE NHS IS STRETCHED TO THE LIMIT, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SCHOOL PLACES, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH HOUSING FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES!!! MADNESS!!!!!
What I would like to say first of all to the people that have commented that they have worked all of their lives.....Well done! It's not that easy though for others that go through hard times and for a little while need a bit of help. Anyone that can label people on benefits in general as a bunch of scroungers is an absolute fool!!! If we go down the line of tarring everyone with the same brush Edwina, then would it be acceptable to call you a corrupt, lying, thief politician?! No so don't be ridiculous! I went to college got myself a good job at 17 and worked up until 7 months pregnant at 25. I was abused by my partner and had to leave what was my home, but it wasn't as it was his tenancy. I had to leave everything to go into a refuge for 6mnths, a b and b for 4 mnths and am now in temporary housing with no real idea of when i will be moving or where too, within the next 6 mnths so a bit tricky trying to find a job now. I been through this with my now 3 year old daughter. I was turned down for 2 year nursery funding and am now struggling to find my daughter a nursery place now she is entitled to it, this is because the country is overcrowded because of the government opening the gates to people, we as a country cannot cater for. (Not my fault). Now how dare anybody who has no idea of who i am or what me and my child have been through talk of me, as i am one of 'those spongers', like something on the end of a working persons shoe!!!! It is just impossible at the moment to find work although i truly wish i could! I would love to be able to give my daughter all the things that i cant at the moment! I would love to go to sleep and not worry about how i am going to pay the bills or when am i going to have a secure home! And how about slagging off the dead beat dads that are allowed to get away with not paying for their children instead of the single mothers that are doing their best! Also being a mother is a job in itself, i dont know where these people get the idea we are sitting on our behinds watching jeremy kyle! I am on my feet all day until my child is in bed! I am also studying to better myself, same as a lot of people. My point is that you dont know why everyone is receiving benefit! The immaturity of it is sickening to me!!!! REFERRING TO AN EARLIER COMMENT. It is not that easy to find a job, if you are lucky enough to walk from one job into another then you ARE one of the lucky ones! Get a grip of yourself! I could go on forever on how the government has sent our country to the dogs and what they are doing is trying to pin the blame on the people! Wake up!!!!
45 minutes of my valuable free-time wasted.
That was not a discussion, it was one-way screaming match biased towards those who should be grateful for the help they receive, and to that 'thing' screaming 'Give me a job then' at the top of her lungs... I don't think it even needs mentioning why she hasn't managed to find work.
Overall I believe this show shouldn't have been aired. It's an embarrassment. Totally unprofessional, even the presenter couldn't debate properly, I'll be giving channel 5's shows a miss in the future I think.
Immigrants come here to work, yes BUT THEY SEND THEIR MONEY BACK HOME
it upset me so much when Katie said 1 million people didn't fight for their disability benefit, my step mom and dad were scared by the local council that if they appealed they would lose all their benefits and their home, they are to ill to fight and are just been kept down. its so hard to get your self out off such a big hole and all this negativity that is against people on benefits really effects people.
Divide & conquer. Conquer & divide. Amusingly (given the state-school-ish syntax of the comments here) I strongly suspect all the people commenting here are of the 99%. &, thus, have a common enemy in the person/persons of the 1% using their work to make money for them (& to keep the more "successful" of the 99% in bribes-not-to-mind-being-enslaved, including that most sought after of bribes, immunity from being lambasted by the the sort of comments/insults being thrown around here). Think. For heaven's sake, think. You are being used. Against the people you could be uniting with to fight for a better way of things. This is a systen. It is a human construct. It's changeable. Come together. Without vitriol. Without propoganda-fuelled infighting hatred. & change it. You can. We can. Together.
Well it was certainly more an ill-tempered row than a calm discussion.
Which, unfortunately, appears to be the level thought and analysis seems to be operating at.
Up until four years ago I had a professional career and paid NI contributions and tax up into the high-rate bracket. Now I am housebound. The assessments procedure by ATOS actually made me more ill, such is the concern and attitude conveyed,
I dislike being on benefits, and being considered a "scrounger" or worse by some.
Thank you, my country, for the benefits without which I could not live. No thanks to you, my country, for unthinking prejudice and false assumptions. Especially by those who should know better.
another form of control have any of you looked at your money read a note, its not benefits its do as they say or they cut you off, i worked all last year and paid my tax so i am entitled to it ( not claim it ) I dont agree with placements any more if they have a placement for you then you should get paid for any work you do, just because we dont have a job we still have other reasponsabilities Did any of you know that now money is computer generated and if you look at your note again you will seen in the middle it say ( PROMISE TO PAY THE BEARER ON DEMAND ) so its not even money look into our history,Any way
The British people do not have a problem with the benefits system , they have a problem with people taking advantage of the benefits system (both foreign and domestic).
When you trust the MSM to try to have a none biased debate they usually fail and produce propaganda. We have a problem with system and bad management skills (Political mainly). I am sure i can write a huge essay on this comments section on what a think is personal wrong with Britain but i know fact it will not change a thing ( ignorance is bliss should i say)
There's a lot to be said for mother nature and natural selection.
there are real reasons why there needs to be a survival of the fittest. So we don't weaken our gene pool something, a lot of the so called liberated people have forgotten
There will always be a need for a benefits system. There is not enough infrastructure being built in the u.k. to provide for everyone.
I do think this show was very unbalanced. No reflection of the majority of people, yet again the minority dictating to the majority. To be honest its disrespectable to the many people who work for the minimum wage. That's why we will be working till were 70!!!!
John, did you pay your national insurance contributions? If so, you are entitled to support from the welfare state. Sorry to hear you have had such are horrid time.
Jenny, how could you tell a person left traumatised by domestic violence and trying to recover that they are a sponge. Just what on earth is wrong with you?!!!
hahahaha that's amazing, I actually thought it was going to be a slagging for benefits but it was very the opposite!!
i am on benefits due to having 3 mental break downs i have been fighting my illness for ages i am now on a back to work program to help me get back to work i have applied for 50 jobs in the past 4 weeks and check everyday for jobs yet only 2 have replied back with a sorry and its not just the good jobs i have applied for i have also tried cleaning jobs so how can any one say people on benefits do not want to work is a deluded person
I am 70, worked 16 to 68 never claimed anything,however I have been fortunate and not everyone is the same.I
n a decent society we should help our fellow man especially at those times when life gets hard! but this should be in the form of a "hand up" not an ongoing hand out. I also firmly believe that the funds that we have as a country should go to the people of Britain and no one else.I would stop all external aid since that is purely for the aggrandisement of politicians. No immigrant should receive financial help or access to free health care and jobs in preference to our own people.We really must address the issue of young people and jobs and extending the retirement age will not help this (I know I didn't go until 68 but it was my own business)
My take on benefits is that at £70/wk this is roughly 1/7 of the average weekly wage. Would it not be sensible to ask the fit but out of work to return one day of work in the community on the hundreds of things that you see needing attention? Who knows they might like it.
That programme was disgusting! it wasn't a discussion, but more like a brawl. The plug should have been pulled half way through. it was also very one sided. The presenter was making statements and putting words into people's mouth, not asking questions. We will never get a handle on the problem if we can't even discuss it without being howled down. And not so much of calling the State Pension a benefit, it has been earned over a long period of time.!
Watched the debate last night and what a waste of a hour, what good will showing shows like this do, nothing is ever done and the spongers will keep on sponging. I have 2 sisters who lost both their jobs last Nov, they have both always worked, what did they do, they went out and got new jobs and the both of them started work just before Christmas. If you want to work there is work out there I am a true believer in that. They said on TV last night about the amount of money which is paid out on the unemployment and disability. Why then is the Government not putting a cap and which Disability vehicle can be used, you go to any supermarket car park and the majority of the vehicles are either 4x4 or Qashqai, these people are supposed to be disabled but they get in and out of them quick enough, provide them with a small car like fiesta or Ka after all the vehicle is supposed to be for use for the disabled to get to the doctors or hospital etc, not for towing big caravans about the country, next time you are at the supermarket have a look to see how many disabled people have tow bars on their disabled cars, and then the bloomin government decide to increase my retirement I have worked for 38 years since I left school at 15. I have 8 brothers and sisters and each and every one of us have always worked, my dad had 3 jobs going to keep his 9 children. The system is so wrong but no one listens.
i'm on income support my childs farther was convicted for hideous crimes. im now a single mum that struggles to come to terms with what my x done i suffer from axnioty and depression i have had to move to escape violence and had to put my daughter into a school miles away from ware we live but the cost of fuel and living are ridiculous i am on the council waiting list to move closer to school i wish i could get a job but simply can't because of ilness and when i had a job i was often late to pick my child up from school and the child care was so expensive that i would work to pay my child care so tell me how i am ment to get a job with all my on going issues.
Here is one example both my sisters lost their jobs just before Christmas, they have both worked for the past 20 years, what did they do they went out to seek further employment. They are now both working full time again and were only unemployed for about 6 weeks. I am a true believer that if you WANT to work, there is work out there for you, it is a excuse for half the lazy buggers, another thing that I want to let off steam about, these disability vehicles, why have the majority of the disabled have to have huge cars and mostly with towbars to they can tow their caravans, why hasn`t the government put a cap on a disabled vehicle why aren`t the disabled provided with a british small car, hense less expense and more jobs, every time you go to a supermarket the disabled bays are full of big Qashqais why cant a small fiesta be big enough, after all its only supposed to be used for hospital, doctors and shopping not for towing caravans. The system in this country is getting worse and worse, and the country is going to the dogs, im not proud to be british anymore, I was once. and to top it all I have worked since leaving school at 15 thats 38 years to date and then they have the cheek to put up the retirement age yet again penalising the workers.
pineless programming by spineless producers.
Take on the real problems if you have the bottle.
Why not take the bankers on and their massive bonuses and illegal banking practices.
take on the MP's and their 11% while they freeze all public sector pay.
Take on the 1% with 80% of the wealth and their constant tax evasion.
Channel 5, Spineless, nothing more, nothing less
This is hardly a debate. It just seemed like a biased attack against Hopkins and anyone against benefits.
living wage.. we can t afford it, that's one problem, but we can afford bonuses for bankers, government get raise when most people have they wages frozen. each person on benefits r they for reason, some take advance and they r the people that we her about, the people that need the help pay because of them. Everyone deserves a living wage and help. We give so much money to overseas for one reason or other, but can help flooded areas in UK or homelessness and elderly people, vets, we need to stop name calling and sort out this country before we help other countries. We r al n it together..hmmmm does anyone believe that
just because u r ill doesn't mean u cant work. Yes i understand certain issues may prevent that. But there is equal opportunities.. no discrimination
Channel 5......this has to be the most amateur attempt at live debate ever broadcast on British TV. There was no debate. Just a mob shouting over each other, presented by someone equally inept at directing a debate. A totally immature and pointless piece of programming.
I want to see a debate about the corruption at the top...the city bankers, the MP's expenses...the waste of taxpayers money on stupid quango's and the arts etc, that normal everday Joe can't afford to go and see anyway...I want to see a debate about why employers pay less than the 'living wage' which makes folk have to claim 'Working Tax Credit'...then this benefit would be abolished and less would be paid out in benefits. It's about time that people like Katy Hopkins and Edwina Currie stopped demonising benefit claimants who probably for a short period of time need this safety net until they get back on their feet. It is NOT a 'lifestyle choice' for the majority of them, it is just a little help whilst they are going through a bad patch, get off their backs and look to where the real corruption is...AT THE TOP!...
Good to see some non-establishment human beings having a say; however why does Channel 5 not do what many people talked about last and that is to have a programme about the estimated £100 to £120bn yearly tax which is; avoided (should be made illegal), evaded, and uncollected. What value do de-humanised beings like Edwina Currie and Katie Hopkins add to the economy or society in general for that matter?
i work at mcdonalds so does my fiancée who is a manager, im also at college in my 2nd year of motor vehicle repair and we have a 2 year old daughter we live a council house in south shields. we get no working tax credits we get no help what so ever apart from child benefit. and we struggle very hard so what i want to know is how come we get no help. the local council are quick to knock on my door and ask where their rent is. but if i didnt work id get everything handed to me.
Without going into too much detail, I had to go on benefits for a few months after my husband committed suicide. I was the one to find him hanging at our home and for obvious reasons my life was thrown into complete and utter total chaos. I was a in a mess emotionally, mentally and financially. I rented a house closer to my parents and my best friend of 25 years (who just happens to be male) moved in with me short term to help support me and get me through this difficult time. We have only ever had a platonic relationship and he had his own room and looked after himself while he was living with me. When I claimed Income Support I was up front and told the benefits agency about him living in the house and gave them all the information they required. I was hounded for four months by them because he was in the house. They asked personal questions, they did a home visit to look at the living arrangements, they had me in for numerous interviews and it culminated in me being asked to attend a fraud interview. This all started within weeks of my husband killing himself. I was in the midst of an inquest and trying to cope with the worst time of my life. I was made to feel humiliated, a fraud, a cheat and a scrounger. In the end after I had a complete breakdown in their office they had to accept what I was telling them because it was the truth. They allowed me to to keep the benefit but I decided that it was just not worth the hassle and shame they made me feel and I took myself of benefit and my parents supported me financially until I was strong enough to go back to work. The lack of compassion and understanding given my situation was eye opening. I would never ever attempt to claim benefits again no matter what my situation because this was one experience I would not like to repeat. I have worked all my life since being 16 and when I needed a little bit of assistance at age 39 it was like getting blood from a stone. And don't even get me started on the fact that I was not entitled to bereavement allowance because I was too young!!! Apparently our Government don't think people under the age of 45 can be Widows. Disgusting.
Alot of people are to blame for the mess the country is currently in. From the fat cat bankers recklessly gambling peoples money and selling them needless PPIs and CCIs and receiving huge bonuses for their actions, to the politicians and their forged expenses claims, to the unemployed who cant be bothered to go and look for work or who are happy to sit on their backsides leeching off the rest of us, to the massive companies like ebay who use loopholes to avoid paying the appropriate amount of tax. Its a shame our politicians are so spineless that they cant deal with these issues effectively. I could have put money on the first words to come out of the 'innit' womans mouth would be "im a single mother" as if its an excuse to be out of work and that we should all feel sorry for her. I used to be proud to be british, now im ashamed of it.
As others have said, - what a biased selection of both the audience and panel.
Channel 5 trying to outdo the beeb in the PCstakes - if any clearer example were needed, just look at the reaction to the results of he poll which showed the majority of the public do not approve of benefits for new immigrants - only 3 people clapped out of an audience of a hundred or so.
the uk government spend £millions a day on military weapons that is used to destroy foreign countries and murder countless ppl. shudnt that be an issue?
The unemployment benefit claimants are the victim to outsourcing and offshoring which resulted in the loss of all jobs at each level.
At the end of the day there are plenty of jobs out there however polish and persons from other countries will do a days job for next to nothing and undercut the loyal brit who wants to work and provide but feel that it is not fair for the illegals and persons from other countries who get the jobs. The problem has got so big now its bigger than david cameron as labour left it the way it was years ago.!!!
Channel 5 are at least honest, this was not a debate it was definitely a row... by stupid people with a presenter who completely suffocated anyone who raised a decent point or had a sensible point to get across.
Tory behaviour to the full divide& conquer.
The unemployed, immigrants always used as scapegoats when the tories are in power under Thatcher it was the case under Major it was the case now under cCameron history repeats itself. What makes me laugh is the people who vote for the Torys without looking back at how people suffer under them every time they are in power in 2015 they will probably win again after gulible voters will vote them in on the back of some spin doctor sound bite.
Katie Hopkins worse possible person to have on this debate she is so rude.
Crap programme scrap the whole of the dole like years ago. If you wanted money back then you had to work. People who come to this country shouldn't get any of the benefits.
Punch and Judy Show. All heat and little light. I like Matthew - but this was a bit Jerry Springer on Channel 5. Too many people here politically posturing... I suspect that Ken Livingstone and Steve Chalk wondered what they were doing there. Found this show disappointing - too much emotion and too little rational debate.
Funny how Dee is drawn up to be a disgusting dole dossing tramp with no manners, yet Katie had such a horrid tone and disgusting ways of putting her point across that it just made her a laughing stock. Are these the wealthy in our country? People on benefits may be given cash, but these middle class and uppers are leaching off the whole of society and screwing everyone over that gets in their way, all for the sake of greed
'Benefits' are the side effect of high living cost. Government top up people who can't affort to live in UK. It can be sort / help by government to cut fuel duty by half (you know 70% are tax). Low the cost of transport will have a chain effect to lower every thing cost you to pay, include the Benefits Government to pay.
People are on benefits for many reasons and I think its unfair for everyone to assume that if your on benefits your lazy. Yes there are some that are but a huge percentage are not. I am on benefits as my child is very unwell and I certainly don't get a chance to sit all day watching TV. I dream of a life where my child is well and I have a career. But unfortunately that is not the case. My parents and sibling all work and pay their taxes and the way they see it is their taxes that help me to be able to care for my child.
What a terrible programme that was. Not only was it biased towards those who claim benefits, yet it tried to make me feel like I am in the wrong for treating these people like second class citizens. I strongly believe that our government is too scared to change the system at a cost of being ridiculed. I firmly believe that a method should be put in place to monitor what the people on benefits spend their money on because I often see the usual single mother smoking a cigarette, texting on their payed for iPhone's in their track suit bottoms. The benefit system is encouraging people to earn off the government, it does not try to persuade people to get a job. Why should I pay more taxes because I've worked all my life, yet people who haven't, pay less? My parents earn a pension because they have worked all their life and they deserve it, yet they are paid the same as people who lounge around. You always hear about people who claim because they have a disability such as this "White Dee" women who has bi-polar. What a load of rubbish, they quite clearly can't be bothered to work. Jobs are always there, if not, voluntary, but still people don't want to scrub toilets yet they're happy to not have a job and complain that there's no jobs. People say our government is too harsh, yet I think it's too soft.
what about the sick and carers. I am looking after my father with dementia diabetes 3 heart attacks epilepsy, I have had to move away from my home to do this, I have also had part of my bowel removed, copd depression and a brain haemorrhage, I am now being told that my carers allowance and my diabled benefit have been stoped as I have a property which is empty and that is classed as income, even though I am still paying a mortgage on it, the only reason it is empty is as I am looking after my dad 24/7 at his home. when he dies I will have to move back to my home d are telling me to sell it and live of that. so when dad dies I will then be homeless. I cant understand why this government doesn't issue cyanide pills to sick and carers, it woud save then so much money, after all that is worth more that any lives, when dad dies I would take one as I don't want to be a burden, and don't want to live in a world that puts money before people
tell it like it is
Lets talk benefits. No more distraction propaganda. How much taxpayers money pays for MP's expenses. How much money is sent to countries like India, which have their own space program. How many tax payers have to pay childminders who rake it in while teachers get half the year off on better wages than those who only get 4 weeks holiday a year. How much money does this country allow the fat cats keep in unpaid taxes?
Unpaid taxes alone equates to more than treble what benefits cost this country.
well has a p/time worker who signed on. did not receive any support from the DWP STAFF just abuse.i can no longer sign on.because I apparently a fraudster,for signing on.which I claimed all my hours I worked.just the staff couldn't be bother to fill/ get the forms.i no longer sign on,has the stupid interviews covering the same subjected.fifn't help just annoy
i cant get video to work
Terrible discussion, Ranters / person Attacks / and no one gets to discuss. the problem.
ifweare so poor that we cannot afforded to pay NI contributions. perhaps we should axe the Mp's Expenses account.
watched this big benefits row live and everyone just assumes all on benefits r lazy or just want to pop out kids but that's crap , i was a single mum at a young age i never asked to end up a single mum but i did i tried hard to bring up my boys and better my self at same time but unfortunately every time i tried by going college and or anything i got called by my kids school to come take my son home almost every day even got to point of being excluded or kicked out it later when he was 15 turned out he had both learning and behavioral difficulty ( A.D.H.D , DYSLEXIA , READING AND WRITING AGE OF A 5 YEAR OLD WHEN HE WAS 10 , ANGRY MANAGEMENT PROBLEMS ) and the list is endless and wasn't placed into special needs school until it was almost to late and he was a year away from finishing school permanently this made it hard for me to ever do anything like college or work as i had to constantly be at home just in case he got sent home would love to see how people would cope and find any thing with a child with such problems so living on benefits wasn't a carer choice , then i did get a job and i had no g.c.s.e's to my name to speak off and i had the job for 5 years i hated the job but i enjoyed the fact it just got me out my house doing something and earning then after 5 years my mum passed from cancer then my Nan passed just few weeks after and i ended up with depression and broken foot had sick note from my doctor giving me 1 month sick leave to give me time but work looked and ignored it and tried to make me return to work depressed and with broken foot but as i didn't they sacked me i ended up on J.S.A ( job seekers allowance ) and was looking for work every week applying for jobs and not even getting a reply so i went college passed my exams and im now self employed but still struggling on what little i have to live on with help until work starts to come in which becoming self employed isn't as easy to do as people seems to think it is ether and id love to see some people who say people like me are laze living on what i do at £110 a week to pay for food , electric , and all bills and and travel expenses i have to make sure my youngest son has food for a week then pay my bills and go without my self if need be even been at the point where iv had to sell stuff to get money then on top of that things like rent for example keep going up and up when i first moved into my home it was like £50 / £60 a week now its almost £90 / £100 a week and im only in a 2 bed flat so please please do explain how making it harder and tighter with getting any help makes it any easier for people like me ......
The benefits system is so corrupt. My mum has worked hard all her life, always had a job and paid taxes. circumstances at home have changed which has meant that my mum is now a single mum living on her own with an under 16 year old. Unfortunately on her wage this is barely managable and so she is entitled to housing top up along with her wage. However, the fact that the council told her that she would only be better off by £50 a month if she continued her job absulotely disgusts me. It makes me so cross that there is that little difference and makes it obvious why people give up their jobs so easily when there is you are almost entitled to the same amount ? Luckily my mum has a strong working ethic and so is working full time still despite this pathetic difference in "earnings". They should make it harder for those who aren't bothering so those who truely need the money don't feel so ashamed.
Total rubbish - just what we would expect from Wright and Channel 5 . Low intellectual content and could have been put together by a Facebook teenager .
Oh yes - and let's of course have some brainless 'celebities ' .
For too long have the sponged off the system for too long! Molly coddled and wrapped in cotton wool suckling off the teat of the tax payer. The members of parliament have been subsidised for too long and are screwing every penny they can off the system and what they don't get paid for they get back via "expenses". There should be no expenses at all. None of the normal "working" class can claim for food or have their canteen meals subsidised. All this is about is finger pointing and trying to get the lime light off them. The banks have run riot and now the tax payer has too foot the bill they leave the blame on those who are struggling as it is. The other issue relates to the fact the benefits works out the same as a job paying around 10 an hour.
A pathetic of show ...really badly managed
If this was serious show they'd of never had Katie Hopkins ....this was a lost opportunity to have a true debate. Never let Mathew do one of these again !!!
One of the most biased debates I have seen. An audience that is against by a factor of 2 to 1, and a panel that is against by a factor of 2 to 1. Even worse, the interviewer is not impartial and speaks left wing rhetoric.
first all people on State Pension are different. Their pension is paid forby themselves. What I would like to know is why there are so many single mothers with several children, they are eveywhere and are high claimants - we never had children until we could support them. Also why are there so many youngsters who refuse jobs they are offered - do they all want to be celebrities?
Well this was an unfair debate wasn't it. Talk about sticking two fingers up at the hand that feeds you. The left are their own worst enemy - most of these problems created by them. Housing boom? Oh i wonder why that is! I am British and i work...HARD. "White Dee" talks about being on a low? She should try having my busy life and paying her way through expensive public transport every single day. I am burnt out paying for her. What an insult!
my brother is on benefits because the firm he worked for renamed his job so that they could say his job no longer existed and then brought the same job in under another name and employed only Portuguese workers for about a third of the wage. Another brother has told me that his firm is only employing from a Polish agency. What hope is there for English people to get or keep jobs in this this country when all that exploitative employers want is cheap labour? It has taken a long time to get a fair (ish) wage for work in certain jobs and this is being undermined by bringing in people who will take a reduced wage to get a foothold in the country. Both lots of workers are being used.
What i really do love is when we keep talking about the statistics of actual fraud being low. The figure is only low because they are just not catching the other 90% that are committing it. I live in Merthyr Tydfil and there are so many people living around us, family and friends that are all committing fraud but are not being counted in the governments figures. I have three jobs and feel gutted with the situation,
Isn't the point being there will never be enough jobs for the growing population!! As more and more jobs are being taken by machinery. Where an car factory use to employ 15,000 they can now do it with a fraction of that number. That goes for all sections of the job market technology is brilliant but it will decrease employment requirements. And with the endless cheap labour from other countries pouring in at as they said 1000 per day. The unemployment will never get to low amount as in the 60's and the 70's. This is just the fact of picking on a section off communities to cause divide and rule.
honest , passionate debate , at last ..........
I am a pensioner who receives a state pension which I have paid into all of my working life. I also have a small private pension so I do not claim any supplementary benefits. I am fed up with the government lumping all pensioners together and classing these pensions as benefits. They are not benefits if you have stamps missing when you retire you don't get your full pension. The money spent on State Pensions is our money that we have paid into just like any annuity or insurance policy.
A system needs to be created that creates an equal share of employment.
A job chosen depending on the individual skills of a person.
A job waiting, that the school leavers fill and the former employed retire.
A robotic state of employment.
In low employable counties , a job share scheme, where jobs are shared, and benefits are shared.
Not everyone on benefits wants to be on benefits. Make it easier for single parents to work, more help with childcare, tax credits on apprenticeships, childcare for work experience or voluntary work. Instead of expecting us to rely on friends family that don't work that incidentally will probably claiming benefits themselves. And there are not enough jobs out there at all!!!!
Seriously Andy Thomspon?? You think 'society and government have a duty to make sure there is work' ??? Really?? Well there lies the problem. We, ourselves, and only ourselves, have a duty to provide for ourselves and indeed help those who genuinely can't provide for themselves. I am part of society and I certainly don't have a duty to provide work for others. I am 42 and I've worked since the age of 10 doing paper rounds and Saturday jobs whilst at school and have been self employed since 21yrs old. If that meant washing cars, delivering milk, working 3 jobs and bar work then I did it. There is NO EXCUSE for people who are too lazy to get a job. Everyone that physically can, should contribute to 'SOCIETY' for their 'benefits'. I am sick to death of paying taxes to the government who think it acceptable to give it to people who consider benefits a career option. I have frequently worked with my wife and we have both pulled 19 hours a day, 7 days a week when it was needed. Friends I know work 16 hours max so they don't lose their benefits and it makes me angry that this system is allowed to continue this way. I haven't seen the programme and don't really care to.
I think the benefit system definitely needs sorting .Atos is a joke ...My partner had an accident over a year ago and fell 20ft and broke his spine , At first he failed his Atos medical because he could read and was clean , he eventually received ESA but only for 365 days then was not entitled to ESA .He now recieves £50 per week ..He has worked all his life and always paid his Taxes ..Where is the system right in this ??? .
I was diagnosed with a disability when I was 17. I have been on benefits since then. My family have had to fight for me to get benefits and support, which was a momentous task. I finally received support from a Mental Health Charity but needed Direct Payments to fund it. A process we were told would take two months took over two years of tears and frustration. Every year since then we have had to fight to keep it. My assessment needs have not changed, but with 'cut backs' and people in charge not knowing what they're doing or understanding the system their paid to know, I constantly face being left on my own without help. I don't live a 'benefits lifestyle,' nor do I sit around all day doing nothing. Life on benefits stink. Not just because I am labeled as a 'scrounger' 'work shy' or treated like a criminal, It is also because support for people like myself are being cut left, right and centre yet this doesn't get mentioned. All that's discussed is 'am I a problem in society?' I have aspirations to work as well as being able to live independently. It is very hard having a disability and trying to live a neurotypical life, especially when there is still stigma attached to being disabled. I don't like being painted with the same brush as others, as well as being treated like a second class citizen. From comments made here tonight as well as else where, that is what I feel like.
randomly drug test those on benefits
As a former recruitment consultant, I feel benefits claimants get stuck in the system and get trapp'ed, unable to move in their chosen direction due to being labelled as unwanted by employers.
The Work Programme fails due to a 'one size fits all training' that's far too basic and stuff that most know how to do anyway. This is a waste of government money and time, when they nestupied tailored training that cant be granted for stupid reasons.
shall I do my dissertation on this?
As a publisher I'm offended at the unbalanced debate. You literally have one out of touch woman speaking for the 66per cent of people that want benefit reform. Many working people are being squeezed and are choosing not to have children because they can't afford them. Also many working families leave their children in childcare so miss out on the bonding that unemployed people enjoy. People on benefits do not seem to have these barriers.
I personally believe we should look after the most vulnerable, disabled and people that have fallen on hard times but no way am I interested in paying for the lazy to have 5 kids and then neglect them which in turn affects others in the community.
This is a complete no brainer, people on benefits should be made to do community work for at least 3 days a week. Why is this not happening?
This should have been aired over a week, every night as this was by no means long enough to discuss the issues, I have to say also the presenter was very biased and really should not have aired his opinions. I would like to see a really interactive programme where viewers could call in and you had polls, the polls you showed obviously was only a small minority and I would like to see it opened up to the public.
What a waste of time this show was it was poorly managed, lacked structure and direction never mind debate. Although I'm one of the lucky one's and work hard. Let's make it quite clear that Katie Hopkins doesn't speak for, or otherwise represent, me.
this is terrible. people have always been out of work for whatever reasons. people are all being stereotyped into a category where everyone on benefits are seen as criminals, addicts and scroungers. are we forgetting those who fought in the war are on benefits, those who are disabled, what about those soldiers who have lost limbs and are now on dla do they deserve to be stereotyped!!! it is becoming a widespread joke now, people who are on low paid jobs also get state benefits to boost their income. why does society feel that it is completely acceptable to "bully" and make people feel worthless because of their benefit status.what happened to supporting and caring for each other!!
This is so biase, there was only two people in the show who were difending working class people. The audience was full of chavs. And have you noticed months later after benifit street or proud living on benifit were filmed the same people were still on benefits. In America you starv if you don't work, if you are starving you will do anything for a job, like clean a toilet.
people on benfits are single out bye goverment because the goverment want 2 look good in the eyes of the hard working people so they get more votes and got nothing else 2 talk about so they have 2 every year round 2find something 2 do
Why was the panel always 3 pro, vs 1 against?
Why was the presenter so keen to get off the fence and give his view.?
Why was the audience all united in one opinion?
This is anti sick and disabled moderation shame on you moderator mind you the program its self was only put on to stire up more hate....goverment funded most likely as most are...well moderate all you like you will find your programe tonight will cut your viewers and be the causation of riots more than likely...but you knew that before broacasting.
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As much as it chokes me to say Edwina Curry made a good point - the majority of the Government's quoted benefits bill stems from the massive growth in an ageing population claiming state pensions. Many of whom are women who were stay-at-home mums who have never worked a day in their lives (which was the norm).
I am a young professional who could no longer work due to an extremely painful chronic health problem. I have contributed since a very young age and claim the minimum I'm entitled to, because my family are lucky enough to be in able to help me. This Government has succeeded in demonizing the poor and sick to slash the defcit so as not to lose TORY voters through tax rises for the rich who can afford it.
How was that a debate? Not one person got to complete a point they were making... Apart from the girl that swore.. But even that was about her finanial status... Not benefits...
It was a pointless show...
shame on you channel 5. you have taken a this debate and turned it into the jerry springer show.
A very biased, bending to the left panel, audience and the presenter. I liked best Peter Stringfellow's comment, as he put it in a nutshell: it's the abuse of the system that we should be concerned with.
every1 works there fingers 2 the bone just 2 make this country rich and people on benfits are been single out for doing nothing
This debate has really wound me up. Im a hard working shop manager and see many different veiws to this. I was brought up by a single mum on benefits and see a big difference from benefits then and now. Its not nice being on benefits but is seen badly now as claiments seem to be better off when they can afford to drink, smoke, have most bills covered and afford big tv's. I certainly see friends on benefits better off than me. The government have encouraged this lifestyle and need to urgently look at all sides. Benefits needs to be a tempory solution as we simply cannot afford to carry on this way. Really alot of hatred is shown towards claiments but its the government to blame for creating a lifestyle we cannot afford to live. Claiments need proper help to find work before foreigners and everyone needs to be better off for working hard!
One comment made by Edwina Curry "We cannot afford to pay a higher living wage." Then why have the polititions just had a £10,0000 wage rise.
There are people in need of help, and the most vulnerable are suffering because the world has become greedy! For those complaining that they cant survive on their £20k salaries... sort yourselves out and spend less maybe?? smoking and drinking should be the first unnecessary expense to go! We don't have a TV, only the internet and a lap top for work, other than that we don't use any unnecessary appliances. I cycle to get to where I need to go and car share for my weekly shop! At the moment I have one light on... because that is all I need. This winter we have gone without oil for hot water/heating and have made do with our log burner and electric shower! We eat really well... lots of locally grown veges (mostly from our own garden), we don't eat expensive convenience foods, no meat or Fish (unless we catch it ourselves). I shop in charity shops for our clothes... or make them! We read BOOKS and play games, sing badly and laugh a lot! Everyone in our house is very happy and content, our kids do very well at school and we all feel blessed to be alive and healthy in a comparatively safe country. Live within your means people and all will be fine!
Ridiculous! Why can't people get off their backsides and work! I am 19 and applied for many jobs two years ago with no other working experience and got a job straight away!!! I totally agree with Katie, I don't understand why Mathew was so biased towards people on benefits! The panel was too biased towards people on benefits too which is very unfair! Has this country gone completely mad!!! We can't just pay people to watch tv all day while some of us work to earn a living! If my family wanted to buy something we would have to work hard for it while those on benefits just get given it!! Totally unfair!!!
Why is Mathew Wright avoiding the fact that's being made by Edwina and Katie Hopkins that a few yrs ago we brought it migrants to do the Jobs that people on Benefits do not want to do. If there isn't any Jobs why are the Migrants working me being one of them > Who is talking and defending the hard working people paying High Tax ?? As for Tax Avoidence why should i pay 45% Tax for all the work i put in If i have worked hard to educate myself to get to where i am when other people would rather sit at home and make kids they cant afford to look after.
What a complete waste of a hour. Just a rabble of personal slanging and personal justification. poor show CH5
what a chaotic programme, possibly never watched one as poorly organised,audience debating and clapping amongst themselves over shadowing panel, could have been a great programme, to messy with audience shouting out.I work as a cleaner for the NHS even though an experienced project worker for women and children, needs must,job snobbery huge issue here.
I work in a bank and I see day in, day out how a large proportion of benefits are spent! If the public really knew how much of their hard earned money is being used to fund gambling and drinking habits they'd be apauled! Why doesn't the government bring back a ration book style approach to paying benefits that can only be spent on essentials rather than luxeries? Perhaps this would give those who do abuse the system an incentive to actually go out and earn their own keep! I'm fed up of supporting the abusers! Benefits are for those that need it, not for the minority who want an easy life!!
Benefits should be for those who need them and not want them..
my brother is on benefits because the firm he worked for renamed his job so that they could say his job no longer existed and then brought the same job in under another name and employed only Portuguese for about a third of the wage
Totally biased programme in favour of people on benefits where's the voice of the hard working people paying taxes to support the system - get a more balanced debate going please channel 5
I work and so does my children's dad I was on benifits for the last three years I can say all I want is what is best for my children and make a life for our selfs now! As we had debts we have just got married and can't afford to love together it's stupid that my husband can't live here! Also that he earns too much money to get any help and makes his self I'll working all the hours on night ones so it's not fair to judge everyone on some people out there!!!!
Benefits are for people who deserve it, not illegal immigrants and people who can't be bothered to work. I start work at 5am, finish at 8am weekdays for my husband to go to work. I then work 12 hours on a Saturday and 3 hours a day just to pay the rent. We claim no benefits even though we would be better off not working. System is totally screwed up.
I am a hard working full time manager and was brought up by a single parent on benefits. All these issues debated today are due to government having tinted glasses on with regatds to whats really happening. This country cannot afford to keep paying for foreigners and other countries when it cannot look after its own people. I believe benefits should be a tempory solution not a life styles. A lot of blame is given to those peope claiming because we see them with large tv's, most bills paid for them and smoking straight expensive cigarettes. I cannot afford the luxurys like benefit claimants have! The government need to help our ouw citizens get into work before foreigners and make us better off for working but unfortunately reality shows we can be better off on benefits, really whos fault is it!
i am a single mother of 2, supporting my children, i buy essentials to survive, i cannot afford to smoke i dont take drugs, cant afford luxury gadgets like i phones and yes my kids go without, yes i am a working parent with 2 jobs not on benefits.
Do away with most of the benefits. Keep pensions for the elderly but grade them on how many years REAL work you have done with a very basic pension for those who have never bothered and a more generous for those with 35 yrs. Only give child benefit for the first child and stop young couples from having multiple children as an income. Then instead of all the remaining benefits, ensure there is a job for everyone to earn what they need. Whether it be litter picking, caring for the elderly/children, working in the fields, armed forces/police etc... There is always something that needs done or improved. The country would be no worse off as we would have been paying these people benefits anyway, the difference being that the country would be a much fairer place where everyone is contributing and no one is getting a free ride!!!
I came to the UK in 2010 from Greece where a benefits system hardly exists and without a job it is very very easy to end up without a home, living on the streets and it is very very stressful during the time this is happening. The benefit system here in the UK and many other european countries, must never be lost. I am British and when I arrived here after being away for 24 years, I had to prove residency b4 I was given any benefits. I have had benefits for the past 3 years. During that time I volunteered and updated my qualifications. I don't like being on benefits and am now working as a foot canvasser, 44 hours per week and am self employed. Even though I work so many hours I still get child tax credits for 1 child as other child is an apprentice chef plus working tax credits and maybe some housing benefit. I think benefits are manageable when you have children. If you are single or under 25 its rubbish. This needs to be addressed and a few other issues. People in this country should I think appreciate the benefits they can get because the alternative is something nobody should have to go through. People who abuse this system don't deserve the benefits they get and they should be prosecuted but I believe these people are in the minority. It's a shame to portray all people as being the same. We are not allowed to discriminate against many things why should it be allowed to discriminate against people on benefits?
the problem we have is being part of the eu . that's why this country has no money . i was in the army for 6 years and never been out of work , i had a knee op cos of an accident at work. i didn't calm against the company and i don't and can't get any help only ssp. i have 2 kids and a mortgage to pay for. i've worked hard all my life and paid my way and i get no help. i've just had 3 weeks off work on ssp wow that may buy me a chocolate bar the way things are going
People like Edwina and Katie need a reality check and have no clue what normal everyday life is like. I'm a cancer sufferer, I've worked all my life and live on benefits with my two daughters and wife. With chemo every two weeks and my wife looking after all of us , I dream of working again to have the life we had.
im in the british armynand up for redundency why dont we pay more attention to the people of the uk and and not worry about the people that come to the country seeking help im not being racist but think of the people that havent got a chance of getting a job and surviving when their are imigrints being given half a million pound houses to support their kids..how about we start looking after our own people its becoming a joke what would our acensters say who won the wars
Why is Mathew Wright avoiding the fact that's being made by Edwina and Katie Hopkins that a few yrs ago we brought it migrants to do the Jobs that people on Benefits do not want to do. If there isn't any Jobs why are the Migrants working me being one of them
Edwina Currie keeps shouting "get a job", but it really isn't that easy. My son has been jobless for 4 months and has applied for numerous jobs and apprenticeships. Most of the time he doesn't even get a reply! The job centre are worse than useless, they get a good wage and really don't give a damn! He has only managed to get 2 interviews and it is really getting him down. He isn't bring picky as he wants to work. I think there a lot of people in the same position. However, I also think there are a lot of people who don't want to work and just want to sit on benefits.
Funny how the poles, etc. can turn up in this country and open car washes etc to earn their keep. I wonder how many of the people featured on these reality shows such as benefits t's or on benefits and proud would even bother to turn up for work each day knowing that they'd have to work for a living!
I work as a care worker. we are so shortsataffed all the time, All the people i know that work this job are african immigrants. care agenceies have to recruitpeople in south Africa and other companies. there are plenty of jobs in care,, no one wants to do them.
what would dee go out to work for most on dole want more then what they get on dole. and does she feel that poeple who go to work dont love there children because we go to work
benefits life isnt eazy unless if statements are honest. but there is always someone trying to abuse the system by:
exagerating, lieing, working without reporting to benefits and many other ways wich that we might not evan thinks to be true.
and when this problem is solved others will apear, benefits isnt wrong the error, the virus is us humans, the we make the system fail by cheating
but thats the way it is and no matter how long it takes we need to come up with an anwer for evevry problem
my husband is a carpenter has been since he was 17 never claimed benefits in his life...pls explain to me why since 2010 he has been able to find a job the amount of employers that have said quote..why should i employ you when i can get two polish for the same price...so people that say non british people are doing jobs we dont want to is full of rubbish my skilled husband now doing cleaning job still not claiming benefits but im sure there is a non british that will be claming them!! this country is a joke and is seen as a joke..you just have to think why all these non british travelling through other countries to get to our little island?
Edwina Currie asserts 'there are plenty of jobs' ...check the government official statistics - unemployment 2m+, jobs available 400k+
I grew up in an area like the benefit street program and my family claimed benefit, from a young age I said to myself I hate this life! My friends parents worked hard had a nice house and my friend had nice things and I made a promise to myself that I would never be a doley and my kids will have the best ok, Not like a million air spoilt brats but my kids won't have to want for anything and I've done just that, I've worked since I was 15 and never claimed benefits in my life I am 30 now with 2 children and I'm proud of that! My partner and I work 12hrs shift he works tue-fri night shift I work fri-sun days I have to get my 2 children in the car on a fri & sat @ 4:30am to hand over with my husband and it's hard work but we've got to do it. There is work out there you just got to take anything. What gets me is foreigners that come over here and claim after a few months and then that's it there a British citizen and we have to respect their coulter! Ok what about us who do get up crack of dawn and work ngt shifts paying for them to sit pretty. The system needs to be tougher. Young people claiming job seekers if there's no work join the army or earn your money by volunteering! Grrrrrrr
Try giving people proper jobs, and a fair days pay. Theres no jobs out there for people, apart from agency jobs which don't offer regular work, or firms offering zero hour contracts To demonise the poor and vunerable such as the disabled is frankly disgusting. What about the landlords robbing poorly paid working people blind, what about the bankers who got us in this mess. The working class don't have a voice anymore, and this Tory upper class government are totally out of touch with normal working class people. Theres no decent jobs offering decent money, or jobs offering the necessary hours to afford to live.. And Katie Hopkins is absolutely vile as are her views, shes not living in the real world. Shame on you Channel 5 for having this person on this debate. There are millions of people who are deemed the working poor due to them being paid a poor wage, and without benefits they'd be living on the streets. It's easy for the priviliged people on this debate to demonize the poor and disabled, while they are living the high life due to them avoiding paying much tax. Funny how the government do nothing about tax avoidance, which would actually clear half of our deficit. Are people on welfare to blame for the state of our economy?......No the bankers are. I do believe in not allowing people to have numerous children as a means to get benefits, however the people who do this are a tiny minority of our society. Seriously this government are totally out of touch and clueless.
People on benefits say there are no jobs, so therefore they should be made to do some charity work to earn their beifits
The problem with those on benefits is not those with kids, or disabilities or the elderly. its those who use the system and don't want to get a job. im from whats classed as a deprived area, 19 years old and have worked since being 16. i did it all myself and expected no help from anyone, i'm doing 34 (14 hours overtime) hours a week at work as well as a full time college course, people just expect to be helped, yeah some need it but everyone seems to think its down to the government to get them sorted. oh btw im working for £5.03 an hour, is that a living wage, im just glad i dont have a house or kids to pay for!? when people moan about not being able to get work cos of lack of experience etc, why not go out and volunteer? get experience and references?
those evading tax are low, if the tax man chased them like they do the common folk this wouldn't be so much of a talking point or such a debatable issue.
I agree with last frank Mackenzie's comment
Channel 5 is continuing this sensationalism
I have read that within the 1st 3 months of the new assessment system over 1000 people deemed fit for work are now dead.......
How dare you make the comments that a pensioner receives benefits. When I started work A percentage of my wage was deducted for National Insurance contributions, this was to cover a state pension at retirement age. I had only 30 years contributions rather than the required 39 years since I was at home for 10 years bringing up my children. No home responsibilities credits were applicable then, therefore I do not receive a full pension. Nowadays people don't even pay into the system and they receive financial assistance. The whole situation is a farce. Would an insurance company pay for damage to your car if you never paid a premium? Why then do people expect benefits as a right when they have never contributed? But please do not refer to pensioners as benefit recipients, they have paid lifelong NI contributions as well as lifelong income tax. People expect others to house them, feed them and keep them in luxury. They perhaps need to look back in time to see what real hardship was and maybe stop feeling quite so sorry for themselves. Finally Bravo to Katie Hopkins who voices what so many of the silent majority would love to say!
Benefits should only be for people who were born in the UK. Have worked for a year and then loose there job not of there own fault. They should then be allowed to claim for 6 months. Housing should be shared. Go and work if you want a life, there are jobs out there!
There is no help for hard working people, especially those without children.
The landlords are increasing rent for everybody, but because both my partner and I work, we will never get any help with our rent. We live in a one bedroom flat, I know many people on benefits who live in a larger property than I can afford?
My partner has been working for 35 years. If he was made unemployed tomorrow, he would be on the same benefits as somebody who hasn't done a day's work in their life.
In my country, people are unemployed get very little in benefits but have an opportunity to get more if they agree to do community work.
I have a 10 year old son I'm a single mum I work a 30 hour week I pay my own rent my own council tax and get a small amount of tax credit to top up my earnings with out this top up I wouldn't be able to feed my son! But I work and pay tax and national insurance does this really make me a bad person! I can't work longer hours as then I have to pay child care I have tried for the last 6 years to try and provide a fab future for my son and to better myself but truth is I'm no better off now than I was when I didn't work!the only thing that makes it worth while working is that I can hold my head high and say I go to work and pay my own way the best I can
Four years ago I was forced to close my business or face bankruptcy. I've worked everyday since I left school and when I rang social security to see if i was entitled to unemployment benefit I was told in no uncertain terms "because I had made myself unemployed I was entitled to nothing". I've worked none stop for twenty five years and paid taxes and ninsurance. I therefore rang 3 temping agencies the same day and because I was happy and grateful for any work which included cleaning, waitressing and bar work I was constantly kept in work. Through the temping jobs I was offered three permanent jobs. Don't tell me there are no jobs, because I'm living proof there are ones out there.
Anybody being paid benefits should do work in the community in return. For example, there's so much litter about what about getting people to tidy up their local community?
I have been a primary school teacher for 8 years, my partner is a professional in marketing, on paper we earn a good salary, yet paying an average childminder and our rent (we cannot afford to save and buy our own house nor are we entitled to a council home) we are on the bread line. We receive no benefits but If i gave up my job i would get help with my rent, be better off and get time to spend with my daughter- i must be crazy working! The system is wrong here childcare is extortionate and preventing many parents from working. Rent is extortionate and forcing professionals like me to be on the bread line- having to save for my daugters school shoes etc. :( something needs to change.
There are soo many people on benefits who are trying to benefit themselves while claiming. I work, have three kids and go to college, but i claim alot of tax credits to help pay for childcare and make ends meet. So people cannot brand us all the same. It isnt going to make good media if they write storys about people trying there hardest to get a good job and come off benefits!!!
I have no issues with the genuinely sick, disabled or severe mental illness. Mild depression is not a excuse to get benefits. Being in wheel chair does not stop you from working if your mentally ok you can do some form of work. Employers that discriminate against depression or disability should be fined. Its a two way problem. What is not acceptable is that a lot of people choose not to work and stay on benefits, people complain about immigrants but we employ 3 because there is not a skilled British person that has the desire to work hard, get on and earn a living. I'd love to employ only British people but we had 3 through the door in Dec who lasted a week, they were lazy, more interested in smoking and drinking tea than do the work. We do have two British apprentices who will hopefully work out ok. There are loads of jobs out there, I know of over 300 immigrants working in my area.....if British people want the jobs they should get off there backsides and do them. I am by the way British, from an middle class family, running a business, survived the recession just and running on empty working 70 plus hours a week, providing and looking after my family as a single mum. Believe me it can be done. I had the total of 3 days holiday last year and 2 days sick.
I feel the. Government is penalising middle class/working class families at all times. Myself and my husband are teachers with 2 children. My husband has climbed the career ladder quickly yet is earning less due to tax banding - he is earning £1000 per year over the tax bracket. We pay £700 per month childcare, have to run two cars. Sometimes feel like a dysfunctional family - parents who have separated, people who don't work appear to be better off in terms of expendable income are better off than us. Two people who work hard to bring kids up properly and maintain the values and characteristics of a traditional family. We need help too xxx
I work in a prison and work with people from all walks of life, I can easily spend my working week getting assaulted and verbally abused, my wife also works, we rely on our child tax credits and child benefit to pay for our food shopping and travel expenses, does this make us scroungers? Katie Hopkins knows nothing about real life and Terry Christian was absolutely right in saying she get paid to have her opinion
my son who is 22 has always wanted to work. he.s a father 2 aswel. while working thru agencies over the last yr who hav promised him a set amount of hrs each week,and thats fell thru everytime, he,s now in debt to council 4 rent and rates, aswel as everyday bills, but he carried on and now luckily he has found a permanent job, but due to agencies and what the benefit system expect people to do while working thru agencies he now owes money every where. my son did everything that social askd of him, and it got him nowhere,
My husband is self employed. We didn't claim esa when he got diagnosed with cancer because it's so much hassle. We pay £100 a month for insurance to pay out £900 a month if he's ill. It covers the basic bills but he was off at Xmas. It bugs me that so much is paid out. People on benefits are better off than me working. They have to earn more than the average to make work pay!
Jobless figures say there are roughly 1/5th of jobs available compared to the jobless figures - and the government is trying to force disabled people into work when a good 40% of those being kicked of sickness benefits win appeals. In short, the govt is wasting millions with the work capability assessments. People with chronic illnesses should be left out of the equation, because they will never find employment when firms have so many fit people to choose from. Those who are jobless and able to work should get practical help into work without the sanctions which seem to be imposed if a claimant so much as sneezes. The whole system is more designed to hinder the sick and jobless and not to help. Edwina should try living on so little money she needs to rely on a food bank - and listen to Jack!
It is a disgrace that channel 5 broadcasts an allegedly debate with such a biased presenter and panel. It feels like the benefit problem is not the reason of the programme but just to get one over channel 4
yes some poeple need help,but id like to know what dee can clim as some claiments were i live cliam to get £26 k a year and i earn £15k ayear pay tax and bought up my family. yes students get good grades and think they are above cleaning toilets ? drunks get extra money to drink what a mess, id like to go on the street and show them how to strech thier money ? I was out of work for 2 month ill and was turnd away when i asked for help
Help the workers who pay there tex to keep them
Unfair representation to the hard working people of Britain! It's not just the rich and the poor! What about the people in Britain who work day in day out for the average salary, who have to save years to have their own property and the people who don't have children because they can't afford them and will only have them knowing they can provide them with support and opportunities in life! Go Katie Hopkins! An unfair panel who is going to speak up for working class!
Who really wants to work 12 + hrs a day Really, we do it to have pride. Pride is certainly not a word I would associate with the benefit street program! Why should me and my wife get up at 5am and get home at 6pm everyday just to pay for people who want children and don't work, how is this fair. The benefits should be used for people who need an emergency fund to help with hard time NOT pay for plasma tv's ang Fags!!!! This program is really one sided, never ever would I thought I would be feeling sorry for Katie Hopkins , no that's depressing
We all know that people need benefits however how is it fair that people who work take home less then some people on benefits take home more. When I needed help with housing I was entitled to minimal with a child and having to pay child care so how can we work
Why is Katie Hopkins the only person available to speak out for the working class, everyone else in the studio are on benefits and love to clap, and cheer. Put more people on the stage to support the workers, whose taxes pay their benefits.
I am new to the benefits system. I have a Mental Health diagnosis which caused me to be hospitalized recently. I have worked full time all my life up until two years ago, when my health deteriorated. I find it extremely stressful to receive benefits due to one monthly sick notes at a time. I am being directed back into the workplace, which is what I am looking to do. I do not understand how some individuals receive benefits, as I have had an extremely hard time.
Mr Leslie Lucas
Everyone seems to have forgotten that people on benefits are taxpayers and have paid national insurance which is why they are entitled to claim benefits from national insurance just like any insurance policy.
Don't let them stop you KATIE HOPKINS! Me and my husband work them "14 hour shifts" we work very hard for are Two kids and we still live in a largely populated benefit area in a rented home and I see these people sitting doing nothing with nothing wrong with them! Sick'n's me. Forget people on benefits just give us working class people more money!!
Dee says she cant work as she could possibly have bi - polor disorder, well my wife was diagnosed with it in April last year as she still manages to work a 20 hour week even on her bad days. In fact her going out to work and doing something actually helps her condition.
My Partner has worked all his life ,always paid his taxes 40 % and had an accident a year ago he fell 20ft and broke his spine ..he originally failed the Atos medical as he could READ and was CLEAN !!!! He eventually got some ESA But now is only entitled to £50 a week ..ESA ...At the end his will be having full spinal surgery and has been told that at present he cannot work ...This system needs sorting out as genuine people are suffering !!!
As someone who was made redundant through no fault of their own, I find the current benefits system a joke. The system doesn't want to help single childless people. During the 6 months I was unemployed I received next to no help. I ended up having to pay my council tax with my credit card, and am in rent arrears to the tune of £2k. I am now working a 48 hour week and struggling to pay things back and keep my head above water.I find it disgusting that it now appears to be the "norm" to pop out children, sit back grow fat , and take take take
I have been a primary school teacher for 8 years, my partner is a professional in marketing, on paper we earn a good salary, yet paying an average childminder and our rent (we cannot afford to save and buy) we are on the bread line. We receive no benefits bit If i gave up my job i would get help with my rent, be better off and get time to spend with my daughter- i must be crazy working! The system is wrong here childcare is extortionate and preventing many parents from working. Rent is extortionate and forcing professionals like me to be on the bread line- having to save for my daugters school shoes etc. :(
Get the 1 million young people into work and this country will save billions in falling crime rates. The Government is targeting the wrong people, single mothers, when they should be getting our young people into work!
Katy has been set up by a one sided audience and Mathew should be ashamed of himself!
If you can get a job it's a minefield 0hr contracts & I have a friend whose hours at works have been cut to 5hrs a week. How are you suppose to live.
What is the point in this debate? it takes more than one opinion to make a debate... Poor Katie!!
I am 50 years old I have always been employed,I had a serious accident back in may 2013 ,I have applied for benefit but recieved none if I had never worked or was not British I would have got loads get it sorted !!
I disagree with kaite Hopkins as she was avoid tax wealth ..... and she not understand about deaf person how you help that deaf person and who pay for an interpreter fee? she not know about deaf culture suit for DLA for life because deaf can not hear anything but kaite can hear everything is 100% listen the radio or listen on the phone etc but deaf can not hear everything is unfair just 25% katie you are wrong!
Ch4 what have you done :-( All this has started because of you
OK single mum... 2 kids at school... schools start at 0845 and finish at 1545 ish +/- , work avg 0900 to 1700. So kids would need to joins school clubs. Our local school... Breakfast and After School clus x 2 kids = £500 per month... do the math and working doesn't pay in all cases!!
All this argument about benefits. There are a lot of people out there with mental health issues that was not diagnosed when they were younger like, ADHD, OCD and other illness. Why does the government take time out to find out what level they are at in life. The government spends all the tax payers money on people that was not born here neither did their parents work here but they come over here with their children that are not born here, and have more children. They get everything. New house, new business and the jobs that are for people that are born here. As the saying goes charity begins at home.
i was on income SupporT and have to go on JSA i did have work but sad loss my job because they did not like my cleaning any have but we didnt have cleaning staff. but they lot jobs out there and katie hopkins need to go on job JSA for long time like a year to see how people think i dont care what i do for a job.i support my two kids
I am on benifits I lost my job when I just found out I was pregnant I signed on to JSA I appliedfor 40 jobs a week when I was asked to apply for 3 a week now a single mother of a 1 year old with a family of full time workers I cannot afford to work and cannot find work and can't get into education for another few years I would ratherbe working than sitting on my bum all Day
Benefits are paid from general taxation and so are politicians wages. When are politricksters going to lose some of the 'benefits' they take so pompously from the general population they call the 'sheeple', while lining their pockets through the revolving doors they create with the callously rich - who really run the world.
my wife had a brain haemorage in 2007 I was self employed and had to stop work and rely on benefits the system saved me and my kids enabled me to care for my wife for which I am so grateful if it wasn't for the benefits system wed be homeless and my wife would probably be dead what I hate is how hard its being made for geuine people whose life has been destroyed by illness this I my only complaint my wife is going to have to have an atos assessmet very year for a condition that will neer improve to the extent that she could work or that I cold leave her on her own
What no one has said is about all the small business owners who now have no home no job and are homeless and this is the state of Britain we all want to work katie u nut case
Why does not the lady on the stage give me a job instead of this rubbish & a question for all employers I'm available but all rich people care about is huge profits why don't they care about people making a living & working which will bring in more taxes
It annoys me that there are so many people that do abuse the system. It makes life difficult for people like me who has worked since I was 16 & every time I get made redundant, I get made to feel like a criminal by our so called system!...I was out of work for 6 months last year..I was entitle to £288 a month....this did not even pay my mortgage! But if you rent you get full rent paid etc! If you have worked hard & have a mortgage, you are penalised, as your not even looked at for 13 weeks! I almost lost my home due to our backward systems! People should get benefit based on the money they have put in to the goverments pockets by working hard...I applied for thousands of jobs but told I was over qualified!!! I seen people I know that have claimed since they left school & there not even blinked at! I used to dread going to my JCP....this should not be the case. I was ill with worry, in debt up to my eyeballs & could not afford to feed myself, put the heating on etc...I have only survived due to the help of my parents..even though they had very little.but if I have paid in to the system I should get back. I don't appreciate all the immigrants that come & get everything for nothing....take our jobs, over crowd our schools etc etc. Nevermind giving loads of money to other countries, start with your own country & be responsible! Stop giving to people that come simply to claim....However I do believe disabled people should be dealt with more fairly...the goverment are stooping too low cutting benefits for people who suffer so badly. There is no help for people with mental health issues, if there was there would not be so many people claiming, it all comes down to statistics, your just a number.....and the cuts are harsh!! Rant over
my wife had a brain haemorage in 2007 I was self employed and had to stop work and rely on benefits the system saved me and my kids enabled me to care for my wife for which I am so grateful if it wasn't for the benefits system wed be homeless and my wife would probably be dead what I hate is how hard its being made for geuine people whose life has been destroyed by illness this I my only complaint my wife is going to haveto have an atos assessmet very year for a condition that will neer improve to the extent that she could work or that I cold leave her on her own
Loads of peaple know how to scam the benifits over half of them are on dla for depression or bad back etc I know loads
This is really bad, its not fair on us that are on benefits, just makes us look bad, its ok if you got a sliver spoon in your mouth, never had a taste of the REAL WORLD come to are side and have a taste
well i have worked all my life as a driver i had a stroke back in 2012.i lost my sight which means i can not drive so i was told to apply for D.L.A. i applied for it but got refused. i appealed against this decision which i am waiting for a date . got no help from D.W.P. Just getting help from R.N.I.B. I want to work but all my jobs were driving jobs .
I'm not at all well due to cancer. I was working earning £1,000 a month. However, I went to ATOS in 2007 and I was told I would be assessed again in 5 years. However, 2009 I had the Government on my back and 2011, I was never assessed and I could never fill in the forms as DWP never sent me forms for larger print size. I had to get a friend to sign the forms for me as I couldn't read due to radiotherapy on the eyes. I am therefore, now unable to work and I live with partner and I get no money apart from DLA. ESA has been stopped. Is that fair?
Having spent the last 27 years working, mostly for local government, bringing up my daughter, not getting any child or working tax credit, and having now been made redundant and jobless, due to Conservative management, I am now entitled to the princely sum of £71.00 a week, not impressed, and to have people claiming I am a 'Scrounger' I find very insulting. We should have JSA related to previous contributions that would be fairer.
People on benefits could do jobs in the community to benefit their community if they are fit and well.
Great debate with some poorly informed people. They should consider my situation.
I was a happy employed person, who was in an industrial accident a few years ago, leaving me permanently disabled, due to some whitehall wannabes not doing their job properly. I am not able to find work, despite masters level qualifications and the right attitude and aptitude because of being disabled.
I went from earning tens of thousands of pounds to barely subsiding. I am desperate to get back to work but society and whitehall wannabes make the barriers extremely high.
I have worked all my life, I'm married with two children. I now suffering with advanced cancer. I didn't choose to be ill and having chemo every fortnight and without benefits would be on the street homeless. Thank you for benefits.
It's utter rubbish that everyone is living the high life on benefits. The system is so skewed it's unbelievable. If you live on a Council Estate you get everything and get to keep your house. If you live elsewhere, you can't claim enough to even pay your bills. I have a house of average value and an average family car. My bills are £850pm (no debts, no mortgage) and yet the most I can claim on Unemployment is £260pm (£65 per week). How are people such as myself expected to live and keep a room over our heads when we can't even claim enough to cover the bills? How is it fair that people on Council Estates can keep their houses and claim enough to live when people elsewhere cannot? Ridiculous. They should do away with a system of giving money according to criteria such as the number of kids etc and instead give people £10 per week spending money and then pay their bills directly on their behalf. That way, no-one gets money and lives the high life and no-one is unable to pay their bills.
I'm 46 Worked Till I Was 23 When A Hospital Miss Diagnosis Left Me Paralysed Using Sticks And A Chair To Get About I've Tried Applying For Jobs Go With Sticks And The Door Shuts Worked At Remploy They Shut Down. I'm now Being Re Assesed Again To See What They CAn Deduct But It Annoys Me More That Everytime You Read A Paper Some Immigrants Had A House Bought & Benefits Gave To Them Think Its Time For Britain To Go The Same Way As USA & Australia No Benefits What So Ever If They Not Got Money to Keep Them And A Skill We Need Turn Them Away And Make The Younger Generation Work For There Money USA Does It Now & It Would Be Nice If They Could Make Companies Empoy People Like Myself For What I Can Do Not What I Can't Do.
I have had benefits. Its' rubbish and not enough to live on. Having kids helps,it eases the pressure, and thankfully for that. But what they/we really want is to know what it feels like to earn a wage. How about working for the community (not corporate giants), the local community, gardening for example, but only for as long as so as to 'earn' the amount of benefits received. Why not? It would then be an incentive!
I am on benefits as I have mental health problems,i would like to know whether people that has an illness is classed as scroungers. I hate people like that snob looking down their noses and think that they never think that they could be on the dole some day,
Really seems fair to have a debate about benefits and have 99% of the audience on them!
Let's be honest. The biggest problem in this country is the government & local councils who waste money hand over fist. Then need scapegoats then the word benefits is thrown. It's properganda that's been going on for years and it's leading to mistrust & hatered. And all the tv programs like benefits street & the rest don't help.
I have teenage children who have friends with parents on benefits. These children are already planning to live on benefits.
I work with vulnerable adults one of whom, only today, said he couldn't afford to get a job despite being physically and mentally able and claiming every benefit going!
Pensions shoudn't be seen as a benefit but, an entitlement as people pay into it through there national insurance & income tax
I think it's completely unfair how children get different benefits for example 2 year old nursery funding, free school dinners, school clubs, trips etc. when it is not the child's fault whether their parents work or receive benefits yet they don't get the same. Children whose parents don't get benefits often miss out!!!
Dont pay cash give them food vouchers and only pay for two children..see too many having beer and ciggerettes..
At 55 after working ALL my life, I lost my County Council job due to Government cutbacks. Nobody seems to want to employ a middle aged disabled woman despite many qualifications. Get a life Katie Hopkins!
Im watching this now on channel five and its unbelievable how tht stupid blonde cow judge people on the dole or income support . Yes some do milk the system but others want to work and cant as people.emplyong people from different countrys and the country is supporting immergrants coming.over here to spunge off the state cos they can . Shes never had.to go on the dole oviously . Work is none existant even self.employed is hard work to get the work . The job seen do.need to change for us who live in the uk and stop immergrants from coming over her and taking all the jobs tht we so need
My Sister has lived in a council house all her life, she is a single mum and has Mental Health issues but has always worked and now her Daughter is at University. Shame on all you who do not provide to our economy
I would hope that Matthew Wright asked Katie who has young children that if she gets child benefit or working tax credits please ask her that question because if she does she doesn't have a leg to stand on come on Matthew Wright bring her down a peg or two.
Just watching the row on channel 5, is katie hopkins for real...bet she claimed Child Benefit for her child, did she really need it? would she give it back? Are her parents claiming state pensions? She should check herself before slating others and resorting to silly name calling!
This debate is already frustrating me!!
Katie is talking sense!!
I work long, hard hours and for this a get a salary which then the government decide to take roughly 25%.
This debate is very simple, earn the money!!! Don't just sit on your arse, earn it! Weather that be charity work, road sweeping or paperwork, ran the money you're being given!
I see too many people just take, sit on their arse and watch tv, so called 'career moms'.
No work, no pay! And stop the GP' s just signing off people on the sick!!
the system doesnt work
I had a major road accident and was off work for 4 months on SSP I was entitled to no help for mortgage , council tax etc , even the guy from the benefits agency said it wasn't fair , I even said I could pay it back when I was back in work but no go ....would have had some help if I was renting , ended up borrowing money off family , it doesn't pay to try and better yourself in this country , the old system paid low to make work pay but labour messed that up ...also how come child benefit can be claimed by migrants for their children who aren't even living in this country ?
The trouble is inflation and living costs are going up but wages are staying the same, so people that are working need help!
Its seems to me that the majority of audience and guests are pro benefits....not really a balanced argument shame on channel 5 they had an opportunity to present the nation with a good debate. Even the presenter is un biased.
sophie bryant 21 whitstable kent
Some people need benifits to liv becuase of an illness or caring for a ill person benifits can be good if there given to the right people who really really need them instead of jist handing them out to anyone or giving them to asslum seekers its silly
I think Katie Hopkins has discredited herself in the first few minutes by resorting to the sort of personal slights we used to make as students when trying to win an argument that we actually had no chance of winning
The trouble is inflation and living costs are going up but wages are staying the same, so people that are working need help!
well i work 23 hours a week now ,and my husband is deaf and cant get a job because of the health and saftey and before i was working 18hours and tried to claim jobseekers and couldnt because i was working and i have four children basically they are telling me give up your job and then we will pay you no thanks i enjoy working , and now my husband has gone from partly deaf to totally deaf and been signed off to work for three months and still cant get any help or support its a bloody nightmare and putting a strain on my family life and even email are local mp and no responce
I know loads of peaple who claim dla because they know how to work the system I'm self employed and they get twice the amount I get for doing nothing my van broke down and I went to the jobcenter for a loan and they told me to sighn on for 6 weeks till I can get a loan the whole system is a disgrace
It's unfortunate that the programme has chosen Katie to represent the alternative viewpoint, this is just sensationalist nonsense, when we thought we were going to have a rational debate demonstrating both viewpoints. Stop slamming the high tax payers, they are more often than not the employers wh make the wealth of te country
After being awarded a 50% loss of Mobility War Disabled Pension for my service to Queen and country, I am being forced back to work as i am not entitled to any other benefits, this includes JSA and ESA. due to my war pension being above the govt's threshold of earnings, All i have to live on is my War Pension. Now with the added pressure of ATOS stating that I am Fit to Work even though it was the same medical centre that gave my 50% War Disablement Pension. In one hand they say i am unfit to work, yet with the other hand state i am fit to work. Now it looks like i will have to pay my own rent as my housing benefit will seize now that my claim has fallen on deaf ears, My only option is to claim JSA ( and not receive any money from the govt) in order to get my housing benefit paid.
Also 3 out of every 4 council houses are kept for immigrants, no wonder our kids can't get a house.
While I agree a lot of people do con the system, there is a lot of people who don't work and don't intend to however I am a single father of 4 kids working full time trying to survive, I receive help from tax credits but I still struggle bringing in a wage of under 25000 a year, without the help from tax credits I don't know what we would do.
I'm 29 on a average wage. To save myself being made redundant I now travel miles to get to my job. I'm up at 5am and return home at 9pm 5days a week. Travel costs a fortune and I struggle to pay my rent on my flat. I'm not untitled to tax credits or any other benefits unless I had a child. What about rewarding the people that do work and struggle. What about helping the ones that work and don't have kids. The country has got lazy and people just abuse it.
I'm not wanting to be ignorant is that I think if the government actual listed and had the same to live on that most of us do then they would see why there is a need to be aided by benefits as there is not enough work out there and then to make matters worse there then cutting benefits how would those in the government like it if there pay was cut to the same level to what the majority of us earn in a week or a month they would struggle and then maybe they would change there tune and maybe if the government weren't lining there own pockets maybe there would be enough money in this country but yet they are to much like footballers and that's greedy
I am 55 and live on my own, I have worked since I was 16, I have recently become unemployed, I am expected to live on £71 per week. I can't pay my mortgage of £230 per month or my bills, if I rented my home I would have the majority of my rent paid of approx £500 per week. I have never claimed anything but now I need support it isn't there. If I was in my twenties and lived with my family I would still get £71 per week, just doesn't make sense
I know loads of peaple who claim dla because they know how to work the system I'm self employed and they get twice the amount I get for doing nothing my can broke down and I went to the jobcenter for a loan and they told me to sighn on for 6 weeks till I can get a loan the whole system is a disgrace
I work on nights for minimum wage in care is that fair
can I just say in response to "children don't go to their careers advisor and say they want to be on benefits"... I work in a school.... I have worked with a variety of students including special needs and the times I have heard "Miss,I don't want to work when I finish school.... I want to go on benefits....you get paid for doing nothing!" the children learn behaviours from adults!
Is Katie Hopkins getting child benefit and child tax credits???
Im on benefits but only because of ill health ive benn trying to get back to work but have been given restrictions by my surgeon but still trying i think benefits are good for those who are disabled and cant work but not for those who cant be bothered.
People that are on benefits should not get more than a person working lot of people who r. On the dole only have children for benefits
My name is sean and i have copd. Cronic asthma and
Nerve and muscle damage. I receive disability and esa. But even though i am registered disabled under national
Assistance act. Why do i after fight to keep my benefit.
Any chance of me watching the programme went out of the window when I found out Katie Hopkins was going to be on it. It CANNOT be a serious discussion about benefits with her on it.
why has "white Dee" got a samuri sword next to her sofa in the last episode?? you can blatently see it about 35 mins into the last programme seen 27/01
whens shes trying to get Fungi up...
I thought they were illegal and a classed as a dangerous weapon???
why does she want one???? just asking? if she lives in fear why not contact the police??
The similarity to the tactics and propaganda used by this government to those employed my Germany in the 1940's is concerning.
When are the British people going to wake up?????
What about a series on our glorious (NOT) MP's
More of the same propaganda.
I have a degree in a tech subject, 12+ years experience and I've applied to 1,100 vacancies so far, and been shortlisted just 3 times.
The jobs simply just aren't there, whether you like it or not.
Miss S J Thomas
I am a Transgender lady, made redundant three years ago. I have applied for thousands of jobs with either no reply or fobbed off when you check to see if the job has been filled. I have been to countless interviews where the employer has not known about me until i was sat in the chair. This caused awkward, embarressing situations and maybe the reason for not being sucessful.
So I decided to learn a new skill I was interested in, I took a course in Hairdressing, which was a year to complete NVQ2 and 3. Which I passed last August, with a view to going self employed.
I had been under a company called Ingeus, which the Benefits agency worked in partnership with. They do nothing different from the advisors in the DWP.
Alot of false hopes are put in your way, but never real results. I been doing everything I could to go self employed and was told by Ingeus that if I signed off. I could get Working Tax Credits to support me, while setting up as a Mobile Hairdresser. That I could do 30 hours or more to market my business. When claiming I had my worry, but you trust these people.
I could not claim as i had to work as well as marketing the business, hence Working Tax Credits.
I had to sign back on, then coming to claim with the council I had acrued a overpayment from the council and when id not earned anything, I had been put in debt by incompetence on the Job Centre Part and Ingeus. Yet no one admits there wrong.
You do everything you can, and the support is just not there and Ageism plays a big part too. No wonder people get Depression.
I was born to a proud labour supporter, He taught me the values I know both my own children still follow today.
Those values were to work hard to earn what you deserve.
While looking after the weaker people in society, he fought hard for decent wages ,support systems.
He was proud to be British and hated at the end of his life how all govements have let down the British people, they have let people who have no desire to work, they have let banks give uncontrollable mortgage allowance (ie when we got our mortgage you could get 3 times your earning it has been 5 times on what you tell us you earn)
These have caused the problems we now have .
We have every 10 years a censors why then is it a surprise we now have all the baby boomers age group getting to pension age (surprise surprise)
Every time a benefit programme comes on they talk about single mothers , have all the fathers died?
I was born in a mining area yet when they closed the pits ,no plan was putt in place to replace the jobs , and we are still having to ring the sub contintent to get our phone line sorted out.
This is how stupid our politican have been of all parties (non are innocent).
We buy branded products where sportsmen get paid (per year)more than the people living on benefits street could earn in their life if they worked for 40 years.
As we constantly here we all in it together every single person has a part to play, purchase British products, people to work and if not show a desire to learn skills they can work, parents take responsibility for their children . Politicians to plan not 5 years but 25 years ahead, promote a work effective , create training opportunities( not ridiculous unusable degrees).
Our Politicians need to lead be positive .
Andy Thompson, you make som very good points but the fact remains that the minority have ruined it for the majority. I work for DWP and whilst there are many very genuine claims for benefits there are also those who are just plain lazy. I understand "White Dee" from 'Benefit Street' will be taking part in the programme (not a debate). I believe she is claiming disability benefit for depression. It makes me angry, as a sufferer of depression, because peoe like her give depression a bad name. I work and yes, it is a struggle sometimes but having attended many counselling and depression workshops, the very best thing for it is exercise and work. Neither of which I believe she does. Rather than rest on ones laurels, defeated, why not try to help yourself? Mind have a fantastic website and there are lists of groups you can attend to a) better understand your condition and b) find techniques to help you cope.
There is, and always will be a need for state benefits but I think there will always be those who 'play the system'. I'm sure the usual arguments will made for national service which for some would be fantastic.
I shall be watching to see what if anything is achieved.
It is not that benefits are to high, It is wages are far too low.
The Min Wage should be at least £10. That is why so many people are still on benefits /tax credits. Although the later are not counted..
A very balanced panel then... Katie Hopkins - a Sun columnist, Kelvin MacKenzie - a former Sun editor and Edwina Currie - a Tory minister who thinks food banks are driving shops out of business. This panel will not acknowledge the following facts:
For every vacancy, there are five unemployed people - and that's the official figure.
Four out of five new jobs are on minimum wage.
The majority of working age people claiming housing benefit to pay ever higher rents are working.
The government itself is creating unemployment - railway engines from Germany (1.400 jobs lost in Derby); 180 jobs from the DWP outsourced to French company Steria; Royal Nvay auxilary ships made in Korea while 900 jobs go in Portsmouth.
Just 3% of the total DWP budget is spent on unemployment benefit.
Pensions are not benefits - they are paid for by National Insurance payments - as indeed is Job Seekers Allowance for the majority of those who through no fault of their own find themselves without a job.
Companies are now bugetting for unpaid labour provided by the Job Centre to bolster their profits.
People have a duty to work BUT society and government has a duty to make sure there is work there to do AND that work pays a living wage - enough to live on without needing in-work benefits.
A new low for you
a person who is very knowledgeable about or skilful in a particular area"
I wouldnt trust your "panel" to find their own backsides with two hands. Experts in what exactly? Having ridiculous views and talking non-sense?
Still, carry on with your chimps tea party. Wont be watching you again if this is the calibre of your channel
"Experts" who know nothing about beneifts or the benefits system, like Katie Hopkins. Great. This isn't a debate between experts, it's another excuse for privileged know-nothings to bash poor and disabled people.
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Why are you producing a programme, where as you say, experts debate the contoversial subject of benefits, with people like this? .... A bit one sided wouldn't you say? Did you have problems recruiting "experts" who may put across a different point of view, people with brains?
Just saw your line up for this "debate". Really are you serious? Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins and Edwina Currie. Come on, if you want to be taken seriously, try harder.
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