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First broadcast at 21:00 30 Jan 2014
Documentary investigating what goes into dog food, from vegan and all-meat diets to treats that may be harmful, to how best to feed man's best friend.
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Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.
Bhagavad-gita As It Is 9.26: If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.
I have been feeding raw to my dog and cats now for over 7 years. They're all thriving. I don't believe there is a risk to them in them eating raw. The meat I buy is from a supplier whose premises have to meet the highest standard. The meat is human grade. Meat handling is no different to that I have to employ for my family. Personally, I prefer to know exactly what my pets are eating. My dog gets a mix of raw meat and raw veg & fruit, which she loves (the veg she will eat on its own though I would never give her this as a meal in itself). The cats are more satisfied on their meat diet and are now on a complete version of the raw meat diet which comes in handy frozen nuggets which I weigh out for each of them. They all enjoy raw chicken wings and this helps with their teeth.
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Like the guy said at the end of the programme, read the labels to see what in the ingredients. I have had man different dogs over the years ad tried all different commercial foods and also home-cooked. The best food I have found so far is fish based, grain and cereal free, with no meat or dairy content. I would never use food from any of the multi-national companies. Nor would I buy food that is produced in any of the countries that represent or condone animal abuse. All pet owners need to make themselves more aware of what is in the food and where the ingredients are sourced.
Dogs are Carnivores!Carnivores eat meat!
Why can't I watch this? I sit through all the adverts then a box comes up saying "can't play protected content at this time" What's that about? This is the 2nd video where that has happened tonight!
As a Vet student, I would like to make clear that from day one we have a module called animal maintenance which is at least a whole day a week, which covers how to calculate the nutritional needs of animals, independent of brand. for the half day on Cat and dog nutrition. We were taught by a veterinary clinical nutritionist, not a pet food manufacturer. Also commercial diets are uniform in their nutritional value, allowing uniform nutrition, that can be fed long term providing a balanced diet and unless the home cooked diet practitioners, Have got the bomb calorimeter to calculate the constituents of every meal they feed (which can never be uniform) I wish them the best of luck. I personally can say that i buy the dog food based upon the nutritional value, that is ideal for the maintenance of my dog, based on exercise regime, Ideal weight and developmental stage. I also do not provide them with treats. Which seem to be quite common place on this programme. On raw diets, i Would like to point out the pathogenic risk of raw meat including salmonella, e.coli, taneia saginata (which eggs can infect humans) and also parasites that are currently not found in the UK but are found on the continent and could come in on raw diets causing mortality, seizures and blindness as we cannot, guarantee that necessarily the animal was raised in the UK even if it from the local butcher.
Before jumping on any particular 'band wagon' I wish people would EDUCATE themselves rather than simply dishing out their opinion. I found the programme to be full of eccentrics with little factual focus on what is in kibble, for example. After thorough research I personally decided to persue the RAW diet, and my dog is absolutely thriving. Perhaps research the sugar content and what constitutes 'meat derivatives' within kibble before dishing it up to your 'best friend'. I urge everyone to join the numerous FB and Yahoo groups to learn more and appreciate fully the background of a raw diet.
I found this program very biased and lacking in scientific facts.
What so many people seem to forget &/or ignore, is our pet dogs are totally different from wild dogs & wolves.
They have been selectively bred & often in-bred. The result being many breeds have inherited health problems.
Many pure breeds will suffer from skeletal & digestive problems. Diet can help, but the fact remains, if you have a pure bred dog you are likely to have health problems. Don't blame commercial diets.
The raw meat diet is not only a health risk, but causes helath problems later in life.
The vegan / vegetarian diet, is imho, not only unhealthy but verges on abuse. Since when did we have the right to impose our personal ethics on anyone let alone an animal with a digestive system designed to eat meat.
I have rescued Border Collies, all of whom had been deemed to aggressive to re-home. They are fed on a good quality commercial dog food, together with fresh veg & brown rice. I add evening primrose oil, ginger, rosehip, & garlic. As a treat, they are given rawhide chew. This keeps their teeth clean, & they love the trimmings from the horses hooves.
My collies are no longer aggressive, have healthy teeth & gums, lovely shiny coats ( when they're not covered in mud from the fields) & are very contented.
A high protein diet = high energy levels, too little causes lack of bone density.
It's not rocket science is it?
so basically the vegetarian/vegan diet was the best. It had no negative effects and many positive. My dog is going vegetarian! Hopefully this will mean I can stop giving it expensive tablets and the vet stop milking me for money for the fits she having, which are probably caused simply by the processed kibble i'm currently feeding her.
After watching the program and reading most of peoples comments. I can only suggest that no one owner is ever going to be correct. I myself had a Siberian Husky who lived to 13 on James Well-beloved due to allergies. People will always do what they feel is right for there individual pet. My only concern is that the owners with vegan, veg and raw fed dogs can see past there own views if that particular diet is not suited to the individual dog. I am not against any particular diet if the dog is healthy, who are we to say. I myself feed my rescued Northern Inuit of 8 years old on James Well-beloved, Its of good quality and the dry kibble is better for the teeth than wet food. Another point id like to add is when did people start brushing dogs teeth Though again not against it, i find this the most unnatural thing over all. I just feel that a healthy fed dog never needs to have his teeth brushed. You spend your time concerned with the correct diet only then to put chemicals in his mouth anyway. Its not an area ive looked into so i understand my view may be narrow minded but im just saying thats all.
The programe was very hashed together with bad science on both sides. I have studies canine diet for a while and have 2 dogs . Firstly wolves do not have the same digestive enzymes as a dog. Dogs and wolves have the same number of copies of another gene, MGAM, which codes for maltase, another enzyme important in starch digestion. But there are four key differences between the sequence in dogs and wolves. One difference causes dogs to produce longer versions of maltase. That longer protein is also seen in herbivores, such as cows and rabbits, and omnivores, such as mouse lemurs and rats, but not in other mammals, suggesting length is important to plant-eaters. These differences make the dog maltase more efficient . People lost on a barf diet do not understand dog nutrition ! Secoundly there are a few good dog foods out there but it was never mentioned in the programe. People have too wake up too the bad dog foods and spend money too buy the best if they can. Or cook healthy balanced food for your dogs needs .
Sad to read some of the insults by the opinionated sort "if you don't do it my way"...I used to feed my dog on Bakers until he started to develop a character I did not enjoy, looking into his food and changing to James Wellbeloved, much more costly but well worth every penny...each meal he also gets a handfull of cooked veggies (carrots, peas, broccoli). When pennies allow I intend to up this to a barf diet in the hope that prevention is better than cure policy.
what is good for wolves are not necessary good for dogs. the is obviouse because what is good for chimps is not necessary good for men. My experience as a owner of a St. Bernard and previously 3 German Shepherds, 1 Collins and 1 Lab tells me that cooked meat with rice is best. I'm not sure about vegi diets as I have never tried them. Raw meats are a definite no no as far as I'm concerned.
i have nothing against good to excellent quality commercial feed, and currently feed raw. There is a lot of bad quality commercial feed out there from prominent companies and owners are not aware of it. Check out dogfoodadvisor.com or whichdogfood.co.uk and read the reviews and make an informed choice.
Our three dogs (all former strays) are fed a good quality commercial diet (Royal Canine) and are as healthy as they should be considering their age.
I don't really buy the "natural" argument -- wolves in the wild, even if protected from most outside dangers (like traps and hunters) live for up to around 12 years, which isn't very long compared to how long commercially-fed pet dogs usually live.
Sure, if you feed your pet a low quality diet it'll not be healthy. But considering that the show focused on two radically different diets that are both supposed to be the best (raw meat vs vegan), my take away is that neither of those is actually required for a happy, healthy pet.
Jo - Pets Paradise
well, after watching this i am now totaly confused. my dog who died 4yrs ago, she had terrible collitus alongside inflammed bowel intestines by the time she reached 14yrs old. the vet said it was because she has been bought up on tinned pet food containing red meat, over time the red meat in tins slowely breaks down the stomach wall and intestines which then makes the Collitus start, he said that any tinned dog food containing red meat such as liver, beef , lamb etc should not be given and that she can still have the canned meat as long as it is white meat such as chicken turkey tripe etc. Yet in the programme dogs are allowed to chew on a huge bone with lots of red flesh hanging off it. are they allowed raw meat because it has not been artificially treated like it has been in cans?
I thought the producers did a great job over all and I'm glad it leaned more towards promoting the raw diet over the processed. Raw is great but it won't work for everyone, some dogs already have incurable sensitivities and allergies so home cooking is the next best thing. I also think there are some inherent digestive problems in some breeds of dogs that makes them more susceptible to developing intolerances to certain foods through over exposure as well. We have so much yet to learn! But thank you channel 5 and DogHouse Media for making people more aware, a lot to cover in a mere hour, (actually 46 minutes)now the demand has been proven for more information will you please consider making a series giving more time to each individual feeding option and also dealing with different allergies and behavioural issues linked to diet?
Julia, Flora's mum!
I thought the producers did a great job over all and I'm glad it leaned more towards promoting the raw diet over the processed. Raw is great but it won't work for everyone, some dogs already have incurable sensitivities and allergies so home cooking is the next best thing. I also think there are some inherent digestive problems in some breeds of dogs that makes them more susceptible to developing intolerances to certain foods through over exposure as well. We have so much yet to learn! But thank you channel 5 and DogHouse Media for making people more aware, a lot to cover in a mere hour, now the demand has been proven for more information will you please consider making a series giving more time to each individual feeding option and also dealing with different allergies and behavioural issues linked to diet?
Very interesting program. Even though we are vegetarian ourselves when we first got our dog from a rescue centre we never really thought about feeding her a vegetarian diet too. On commercial dog food and through being a stray (eating who knows what) she developed Inflammatory Bowel Disease (which is a horrible illness and involves blood). Tried the vet's prescription diet (Hill's Fish) but she refused to eat it
So with research on the internet discovered that lots of people solved their dog's illnesses/ailments by feeding their dog a vegetarian diet. This was surprisingly easy, with Veggiepets.com having lots of different treats and food (wet and dry). Buy your dog a Vegegourmet 'sausage' and see how long it lasts in the bowl. Scoffed in seconds!
It's also surprising how many treats upon further examination don't have meat in (just by pure accident). The veggie ears are brilliant (like pigs ears), there's sweet potato treats, Starmark make an Everlasting Dog Treat - it is a lick and is chicken flavoured but if you read the packet it is 'vegetarian chicken'.
If the dog is healthy and happy that is the main thing.
I have fed my 2 collie x dogs vegetarian food for the last 5 years and they both have boundless energy and glossy coats. They only go the vets once a year for their shots and I am very pleased that they are both happy and healthy and enjoy the long walks that are the highlight of the day for such active dogs .
My only concern following this program is where the evidence is to back up the statement made by Lily's Kitchen that Raw Feeding a dog causes them to shed salmonella through their coats.....a statement like this should not be made without strong evidence being able to substantiate it. There were posts on Lily's Kitchen facebook page yesterday that seem to have "disappeared". This is very frustrating as it prevents people providing valid points for others to form their own opinion, however hiding this string has been a poor decision.
We feed our dog food from veggie pets, plus he has a scrambled egg every day to make it more tasty. His digestion was always terrible when we first got him and he was on commercial meat based food, and is now perfect on this diet. The vet said he was "a picture of health" last
time. As long as you're happy and the dog's healthy surely everything is fine!
I've been aware of what companies put in pet foods for a long time and only feed my cat with food which doesn't have animal derivatives in it, as these can literally mean floor sweepings with feathers, beaks etc. \i also make sure the food is organic so there is the least amount of chemicals and anti-biotics in it.
I've noticed that most vets have a well known brand for sale, which has different packs for different ailments and ages, but it's the same as all the other brands and obviously it's only recommended by vets because they're paid to promote it. It has animal derivatives as well.
Another well known brand, which is extensively advertised on TV carried out cruel and invasive experiments on dogs in their laboratories, to test their dog food.
Well done to Channel 5 for dispellijng some of the myths surrounding dog food.
I have always read the labels of pet food and found out a long time ago that animal derivatives can mean feathers, beaks or anything else that's lyijng around, so I avoid food with those ingredients. I have a cat and feed her vegan food, which she loves. Cats have to have taurine in their diets, which usually comes from meat, but there is a vegetable source.
You will see one particular product in most vets, which does different diets for ailments and ages, but it's no different from the other dog food and is a complete con. Of course the vets get paid to promote it. It has animal derivatives in as well.
Dogs are carnivores but are also omnivores, like us, so feeding a balanced vegan diet would be fine.
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I cant believe that someone from Pets Corner is promoting their range when they sell Beta dog food and Bakers dog treats both made by Nestle and Royal Canin and Wellbeloved dog foods and Pedigree dog treats both my by Pedigree the two worst companies that this show was aimed at. Do you not know where the products in your store come from?
A member of the ‘Raw Brigade’
I would like to add that most raw feeders are not, let’s say, as eccentric as what was portrayed in the TV program. Most of us have made the decision to raw feed through often years of research, not on a whim or because a manufacturer has told us so. We do this because we want to give the very best for our furry friends. Not all raw feeders buy readymade ground up meat and bones. A lot of us believe the very best for our cats and dogs is Raw Meaty Bones, with some raw fish and some raw offal. This is not fad feeding, nor is it expensive. Food can be sourced locally from butchers and supermarkets quite cost effectively.
I would urge people to please take a look at the ukrmbs website, even if you are just intrigued to know a little bit more. This website is run by experienced raw feeders and is a non-profit making organisation with only our pet’s interest at heart. And by the way, it’s not me that runs it.
Can I just say ‘well done’ to the people in the recent posts for not feeding processed crap to their dogs anymore! This was what the program was all about, making people question why they are feeding their pets commercial mass produced rubbish.
After watching it yesterday today went out and got chicken thighs from well known frozen store and fed my 2 dogs of 10yrs some freshly boiled chicken pasta rice and veg the dogs wolfed it down, like the program states if its made at home you know whats in it, a little time consuming but found out it will be a lot cheaper than buying that so called best dog food from a tin dribble so even though I feed them fresh cooked (boiled chicken / fish) is it better still to feed them raw
I watched it last nite and again tonite Ive been for the first time to a well known frozen food store bought chicken and made for the first time and certainly not the last chicken pasta rice and veg my two dogs loved it and ive three meals each for each dog and only used half the chicken, a little time consuming but a lot cheaper than that even though a well branded named dog food ive been feeding them. Well no more I tell you, im so glad I watched it as it opened my eyes.
I work for Pets Corner and from day one we have been trained in animal nutrition. I think it is about time that a programme like this has been made. Hopefully it well get people to actually realise that the foods you see on tv are the worst to feed. Them company's would rather spend the money they get from people buying their products to go back into advertising as if you come into out stores or maybe other smaller stores then we stock foods that people have never heard of where we stock the better quality dog foods. Look at dog foods that you have never heard of before that's when you will find small family run buisnesses who care about animals. None of that crap they put into the commercial stuff. And raw food is good aswell :)
I agree with Tom, this was a platform that lots of the fringe people used to promote their brands which otherwise would never have been heard of. For anyone to say that's not true shows total naivety, if they just wanted to put forward a point of view they could have easily done so without continually mentioning their brand. Anyone who has to tell complete lies and quote unsubstantiated facts to try and make their point loses all credibility in my book. The comments made will have caused concern to many people who do the best for their pets and love their pets dearly, I hope the people who use scare mongering sleep well in the beds at night.
I agree with Tom the show was very biased and how any intelligent person who actually watch the program can say certain companies were not promoting themselves is deluded. I have worked with pet animals for 20 years in my career and have never heard of these fringe companies, it was all about self promotion by using emotive terms and un-substantiated facts. people are still even try to promote their companies on here now by adding brand names instead of considering the most important issue the care and health of our animals. It may of been good TV for those who need entertaining but was an insult to the intelligence of the majority of good pet owners.
One interesting thing that I noticed.
An hour long program about dogs, on commercial TV, about what you should feed your dog.
But, from what I saw, no adverts from the commercial dog food producers?
Just wondering why, or did I miss the adverts?
Yes, my dogs are fed RAW
Tom Rushworth Honey's Real Dog Food who were interviewed on the programme do not push their product. They will give advice on Raw feeding with no pressure to buy their product. If you do your own independent research about kibble dog food I think it will give you food for thought. More and more dog owners are questioning kibble dog food and are changing to raw feeding. I think it was good to bring the pros and cons about various type of dog food, although not all the presented facts about Raw feeding were accurate which annoyed me, as I believe if you are going to make a programme of this sort, facts should be checked and double checked. The primary example being that raw fed dogs shed Salmonella?? Not sure where they got that one from, but not true.
Dogs are carnivores NOT vegetarians or vegans! In saying that if I only had the choice of that or the mass produced dog food that is on offer I would choose to feed them fresh decent vegetables and herbs! Thankfully however I have the choice of the most natural and normal diet that there is available for dogs and that is RAW MEAT AND BONES!
I have had dogs in my life continually since my parents took me home at three months old after they adopted me and I have seen dogs fed on commercial, home cooked and RMB diets. I have seen how the dogs respond to all three diets, how they look, feel, react and how their health is. Hands down the RMB diet comes out on top.
I try to eat as little dead animal as I can, but I am prepared to skin, gut and prepare the best and freshest meat I can for my boys and boy do they look good on it. I belong to a great RMB forum on Yahoo, which someone has already put the link up for and recommend it to anyone prepared to do the best thing for their dogs.
As for the programme itself well I wouldn't have expected much else I suppose, although I was surprised at the amount of vegetarian/vegan representatives compared to the true RMB feeders. A bit of an imbalance to say the least, but I do not believe the money grabbing companies who sell any form of dog food will ever admit that our dogs should be fed as nature intended and as wild dogs still do on RAW MEAT AND BONES, after all they do not have cookers in the wild to cook their food nor the ability to do it, they kill their food and eat it as was intended when they evolved.
Everyone has their own opinion on this subject, do not get nasty with each other about it after all as long as our dogs have a good home and are loved, cared for and feed surely that matters above anyone's opinion?
I have been involved in the chemical industry and a huge massive amount of flavour improvers/MSG's goes into dog food. Fortification is with chemical vitamins (artificially made by chemical industry - not really with bioavailability of 'normal real vitamins'). People are vampires, they have a job and do what they have always been doing, nobody rocks the boat, they get paid well and whistle-blowing is not popular. Unfortunately, what a lot of people call a "loony fringe' are those who have an idea that natural must be better than packaged food and the truth is right now this statement is very true. I think you could even talk about pet abuse using these packaged foods only. Here is a controversial question: Can humans eat the pet food without occurring health problems? It has been pointed out to me that home feeding needs to include extra attention to calcium which can be achieved by blending/powdering egg shells and adding it to the food or giving bones. I have been told to use whole fishes (including guts) to give the doggies. Sesame Seeds are high in calcium and can be added to the food (blend them first to break the down otherwise the just show up undigested in the food).
I am sorry to buck the trend but I thought the programme was a load of biased nonsense by a bunch of ill-informed tree hugging, yummy mummies and yoghurt weavers who clearly live in a different world from most of us with a very different budget and in some cases there own business to promote. Sure there is some cheap rubbish processed food available for dogs as there is for humans but to imply that they are all the same is absolutely not true. Worse it gave the impression that to feed your dog with "processed" food is tantamount to cruelty and injurious to their health - an insult to intelligence. We have a three year old cockapoo that has been fed only canned dog food and dry mixer (from reputable manufacturers), since he was weaned and is a picture of health. Incidentally he gets fed no more than the appropriate daily amount and gets regular exercise, which I would suggest is another vital factor that hardly got mentioned. Biased sensationalism intended I suspect by many who took part to give dog lovers a guilty conscience and drive up sales of their own cottage industries!
I am sorry to buck the trend but I thought the programme was a load of biased nonsense by a bunch of ill-informed tree hugging, yummy mummies and yoghurt weavers who clearly live in a different world from most of us with a very different budget and in some cases there own business to promote.
Sure there is some cheap rubbish processed food available for dogs as there is for humans but to imply that they are all the same is absolutely not true. Worse it gave the impression that to feed your dog with "processed" food is tantamount to cruelty and injurious to their health - an insult to intelligence. We have a three year old cockapoo that has been fed only canned dog food and dry mixer (from reputable manufacturers), since he was weaned and is a picture of health. Incidentally he gets fed no more than the appropriate daily amount and gets regular exercise, which I would suggest is another vital factor that hardly got mentioned. Biased sensationalism intended I suspect by many who took part to give dog lovers a guilty conscience and drive up sales of their own cottage industries!
Of course education is the key. I researched alternative diets for months before deciding that a raw meaty bone diet was the best for my dog. Unfortunately, the opinions of some of the raw feeders featured on the program are not the feelings of all raw feeders out there. For example, I would never feed my dog huge marrow bones as they can break teeth and I do not buy manufactured raw food (BARF). All the RMB’s I buy for my dog comes from the supermarket and butchers. It would be impossible to give the complete picture of raw feeding in an hour long program. I think the purpose of the program was to raise awareness, to make people think about what they are feeding their pets and to encourage research into alternatives.
Check out www.ukrmb.co.uk
I think the program raised a relevant point that we don't have to feed our pets commercial dog food. There are other alternatives.
Processed food has been proved to cause cancer and other health issues in humans, so why feed it to our pets?
Big up for Raw Meaty Bones!
Here's a tip; don't buy pet food from a supermarket!
get it from your local pet store where quality is more important.
What a shame that a potentially interesting and informative program was hijacked by the loony fringe. Education is the key and unsubstantiated opinions and unfounded comments do not educate, they may make sensationalist TV but upset people who do their best for the pets on sometimes limited budgets. Feeding dogs and cats a vegan diet is totally wrong and it is just sad people trying to impose their views in a cruel way, the animals long term will suffer. The raw brigade should be ashamed of themselves, they don't give the complete picture and for them to condemn all extruded food manufactures and say they are all the same is ludicrous, they are only promoting their own brand for the commercial gain they called other companies for. Sensationalist TV for the uneducated.
Our 4+ year old German Shepherd has been on a veggie diet since we got him from a rescue charity over 2 years ago. He is certainly fit and well and has plenty of energy, too much at times!
What about veggie cats ? Our Bengal eats veggie cat food which she loves and you could not fault her health or wellbeing. She is fit, fast and agile with a coat to be envied. Well done Veggie Pets. Feeding without cruelty.
Why should we kill one breed of animal to satisfy another.
We too are vegetarian and like Angel we are healthy and well nourished.
I think whatever it may be, vegan, cooked, raw, are good. If us humans can't eat it, why should they? However, we don't want to be fed with canned and dried foods all our lives! It's a no brainer. Food has to be fresh (or identifiable). End of.
I find the whole issue very confusing and do not want to feed my toy dogs a raw diet....it's about time the pet food industry was strictly regulated so that we can have confidence in what we are buying to feed our dogs and cats.
i feed mine pedigree puppy complete dried food and she has a awesome coat and is always happy
Great insight into the pet food world. I have a border collie and a border terrier both are on the Benevo and V-dog Vegan food from Vegeco ...this programme highlights no more misconception of the term "animal derivatives", its the stuff at the end of the human food chain...A.K.A not fit for human consumption so why would you feed it to "mans best friend"..
Following on from my previous comment can I add that all of my dogs are tiny toy dogs, including a chihuahua. They all eat raw bones, mainly chicken wings and they don't have to have them chopped. Gone in no time and they all have fantastic teeth. Process raw veg in a juicer, use the dried remnants for the dogs as it emulates the contents of the stomach of any prey they catch, use the juice for yourself. Double bonus. My family have 20 years experience of using a raw bones diet, honestly it works and the dogs are much better behaved also, calmer, with better teeth and far less waste at the other end. I also find it much cheaper than commercial feed. It's a no brainier.
I'm disappointed the show didn't have a tinned food analysed properly. If it had we could prove just how much sugar they contain. I feed raw bones and veg and recommend Ian Billinghursts books. Used diet for 20 years now and highly recommend it for longer life and healthier dogs.
A program populated by so called experts expressing unsubstantiated points of view, riddled with bias and hopelessly inaccurate, come on channel 5, did nobody check their facts? Chihuahuas "should be fed the same as a wolf"? When did you last see a chihuahua chasing an elk through a forest in three foot of snow at minus 20C? I nearly laughed my socks off! Thank goodness for that closing statement from the vet, unfortunately it did not make up for the lack of balance.
We became new parents of a staffie who was 14 3 years ago having already had this bread previously a mam and daughter for 16 plus years , this was not a problem. Ooh no this staffie was about 4 stone over weight. Never had dog food in her life lived on a diet of a 72 year old (fish and chips). What do we do lol, we'll lets take this slow introduce to Chinese, Indian (healthier versions home made.) at leSt she will eat it and add veg as we go. We now have a 1 year old springer (bengi) Tess is now 3stone lighter enjoying her food , still eating the same as us but I feel is much better than the rubbish in a tin (so does Tess won't eat it or the new dog bengi) love fresh meat with peppers and tomatoes ans carrots ans broccoli will I go on lol. Just shows I never fed the old dogs only dog food always said a varied diet was the way.all animals I had lived at least 14 years.
They were showing that packaged raw dog food..... does anyone know where you get that from... it looks good as I am awfy squeamish.
raw is the way to go we have a three year old german shephard who was born eating raw hes not had any stomach problems or any teeth he is less smelly his poo is small and dies not smell even my stepdad would not touch dog poo does not mind picking it up our last german shephard was fed on dog food and pork and rice to which we found out that she was allergic to its also good to get your dog allegy tested. but raw is good
Our dog eats a vegan diet and is full of energy. As a bonus, picking up her poo is much less unpleasant than it otherwise would be. She gets occasional scraps of meat from friends and family but still eats her vegan food very happily.
RAW petfood is sooo natural it makes the alternative look like animal cruelty. There's a fam near Laverstoke that supply it organicaly. My dogs have never been happier.
I'm in the US. Just started my 4 yr old ESS on a raw diet 5 months ago. He's always been healthy, as I was feeding him the best grain-free kibble I could find. However, his teeth looked horrible in spite of daily brushing. Too much plaque. He was bored with his kibble and refused to eat ANY brand. Fast forward to today. His teeth are about 90 pecent clear of tartar, his coat is shiny and he has boundless energy. RAW feeding isn't popular here. People look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them I feed Max a raw diet.
It was my fb friends in the UK who turned me on to raw feeding. I haven't looked back since. Best decision I could have made for my dog.
Finally the truth will come out. Raw meat, bones and offal from organic farms this is the best food for dogs and cats!
Let's see if tonights programme shows the truth about raw dog food! @ddoggiedinners we believe #rawisbest
I have fed my Collie now 5 a vegan diet since he was a puppy. He is in perfect health and has loads of energy. Vet was amazed when I took him for his annual check up, thought he was on some posh, rubbish dog food. Thank you Veggie Pets !
Both our Border Collies are fed vegan amipro all in one dog food. No dental problems and super fit. Often go cycling and over 8 miles I can't keep up with them even on the downhill slopes. Old boy is 9 years old and the female is 5. Never at the vets apart from boosters and have never seen any sign of bowel or digestive problems. I recall lots of digestive problems with my previous dogs when I used to feed them tinned meats. Nobody can convince me feeding the usual meaty varieties of dog food is good for their health.
My 9 year old spaniel had a bad bout of pancreatic pain. My vet recommends always to cook meat to get rid of unwanted parasites ect. and is not at all in favour of a raw food diet, having had several dogs that had to be PTS after problems. He has now told me to feed all my dogs (3) on cooked chicken breast with brown rice. I make up a "green goo" which is broccoli, spinach, cabbage and carrots. I blend all these ingredients, hence "green goo". They eat this happily when mixed with the chicken and rice. I do however have a problem with my little Lhasa bitch who is allergic to just about everything ie all red meat and many cereals including rice so that gets left out of her food. I'm wondering if I could give her porridge oats instead as she can eat oats. My vet wasn't sure about this! I shall watch the programme tonight with interest.
We adopted a grossly overweight bearded collie when she was 10. Thanks to a vegan diet supplied mainly by VeggiePets, along with exercise, she is now down to a good weight and coming up to her 17th birthday. Many people comment on how good she is. It is certainly a good age for this breed.
Changing to raw stopped my Labrador from constantly itching - he used to have to have courses of steroids every so often but since being on a raw diet none - also all my five dogs have lovely clean teeth . I do not feed bones but a ready prepared raw food that includes minced bone so it is completely balanced and easy to use .The meat used is all free range , some organic and fit for human consumption .
I rescued my dog from the kennel just over 7 years ago. He was in a terrible state, just skin and bones, and suffering a terrible diarrhea. I was recommended a famous brand, which was supposed to be good for him, as it was hypoalergenic, but until I could buy it I started feeding him home-made vegan food, and he was improving. As soon as I fed him the famous hypoalergenic pellets, he got worse again. So I switched back to vegan.
He has been eating home-made vegan food and vegan pellets and treats since then. His vet is always talking about his shiny coat, his fantastic muscles, and his very clean teeth, and his analitics are always perfect.
Apart from the overall health of my dog, I think that we must also take into consideration the dog-food industry, the low standards of the products, or shall I say sub-products, they use, and of course all the animal suffering which gets involved. And I'm not talking just about the animals that get in the food, but also about the thousands of dogs which get used on absurd and terrible tests by those famous brands.
Read, 'Food Pets Die For', or google it. The pet food industry is nothing more than a dustbin for dead pets, farm animals, zoo animals etc. All my dogs have been rescued and vegetarian including several mongrels, a Labrador, Rottweiler and a Bull Mastiff. I now have two veggie terriers. I can get pet food for free as I know someone who works in the industry, but I don't use it. I cook for them rather than buy the rubbish that is pet food.
As humans we cannot employ our reason with any comfort that it is ethical for us to feed our pet with another life of a sentient creature,
To do so means turning a blind eye to the suffering of another so that our pet, which is ours by sheer dint of us happening to choose it, can have its fancies indulged.
My dog Molly is a whippet staffy cross. People stop me in the street to ask me what I feed her, because her coat is so shiny and she looks so fit and healthy. She never gets any ailments and is one of the fastest dogs I've ever seen! I feed her on Benevo vegan dog food and supplement this with home cooked rice, veggies and Vegedog supplement. No complaints from Molly!
-- FYI domestic dogs are normally classed as omnivores as their genes have evolved from their original wild wolf DNA.
mamamorty, dogs are not carnivores they are omnivores.
you lot do know that cats and dogs are carnivores right?? This means that they have evolved to eat meat, There's a reason they eat meat, they are designed to do so.... you have a right to choose any diet you wish but I find it a little selfish and egotistical to decide that you'll inflict that diet on a species which is designed to eat meat....... most commercial dog food is crap- FACT but then so are chicken nuggets and pizza....
We only buy vegetarian food and treats for our dog, though she'll eat anything she finds given the choice! We ensure she has a balanced diet and she's a fit and healthy 6 year old lurcher with no concerns from our vet.
There are lots of words like 'natural' bandied around. We overbreed companion animals - so many are unwanted and in shelters; we feed them stuff they'd never eat in the wild etc etc. My partner and I are vegans who wanted to reduce our own carbon footprint as well as our dog's. Basically, we don't buy into the meat/dairy industry because of cruelty and environmental issues. While I understand the raw argument, the planet can't sustain the amount of meat humans currently eat, never mind our companion animals. However, our beloved dog gets scraps from other family members and sometimes what she pinches e from people's BBQs in our local park! (She's a rubbish hunter but great scavenger). So she is almost completely vegan/veggie and has the teeth and health of a much younger dog, according to our vet. Her teeth are certainly better than her meat-eating sister's. Modern veggie pet foods are nutritionally sound and well-balanced; they are also less likely to cause allergies. And the longest-living dog in the Guinness Book of Records was a very healthy and energetic vegan collie! There is a heap of reliable evidence from vets about feeding dogs and even cats vegan/veggie - and it's much more common than you'd think. Start off slowly and gently - even if they won't go for 100% you are still harm-reducing by feeding them partly veg*n.
I have fed my 4 year old spaniel vegan Benevo dog food since I got her. She loves it, along with other items from Veggiepets. They are good at helping with any issues and apart from not wanting to feed my dog with another animal, I am way happier her being vegan and not having unknown food given to her. She is the happiest, and one of the most energetic dogs at the park
Konky's Pet Care
Raw food is not the only way to go. Dogs need a balanced diet. The only need 20% protein but it must be good quality meat protein which isn't the case with a lot of dog foods. They also need fat (chicken skin) rather than carbs for energy. Green vegetables, seaweed is excellent and a good oil like flax seed.
I got my lab x rotti dog from a well known dogs trust. I was told to feed him kibble whether or not he liked it. He didn't like it and within a month his head was covered in a wet eczema and cost me £200 at the vets. I changed his diet to raw pigs hearts, tripe and raw chicken. I also give him raw and cooked greens, finely chopped up and raw carrots with his meat, thus mimicking a rabbits stomach. His eczema gradually disappeared over the next year. He is now 10 years and has the slimness and energy of a much younger dog. He rarely sees a vet. His food cost me £10.00 a week.
I've been feeding raw for 3 years. One of my dogs has been raised on raw since 8 weeks old.
When I fed kibble I had a dog with constant problems with colitis. Hence my reason to feed a more natural diet.
In reply to someone who mentioned feeding bones, raw bones are soft and digest as a dogs stomach acid adjusts to digesting bone. Cooked bones should never be fed as they are brittle and splinter.
All I can ask is that people do their research into whatever food they feed. Be it raw or kibble.
I also suggest that you look at the ingredients on the side of the pack. How many additives are on the pack. Does the food actually contain any meat? A lot of kibble diets contain fillers, such as rice, oats, maize etc. this is what causes a lot of itchy skin problems. cheap fillers and expensive prices.
My dogs have a varied diet of raw chicken, rabbit, beef, venison, lamb, tripe, fish, etc..
No grains, no fillers, just pure food. Cost about £10-12 a week to feed 2 large breed dogs.
Research, research, research, is the key to good health and a happy dog.
Hope everyone enjoys the programme.
i am a boxer dog owner i lost my 12 year old boxer dog 4 years ago he was fed bakers complete all the way through till the end i have a 7 year old boxer on the same food ,and a 6 month old boxer who was on burns dog food he got an itch and ear infection so i changed to wainwrights salmon and potatoe he has stoped itching but he on steriods off vet 10 day course .i would love to start feeding them raw its just the bone bit scares me incase they choke on them and if i was doing the raw food propely they both get tiana extra virgin coconut oil they love it i will look the raw food up
I worry that this program will hold back from naming and shameing the big corporates who are responsible for producing a lot of the poor quality over hyped food for dogs, for fear of upsetting some of channel 5's big advertisers. I hope not.
Lorraine K9 Capers DTC
I've raw fed my dogs all my life & my parents did the same, my grandparents fed raw plus table scraps.
No fillers, co artificial colours, no preservatives.
There's a little more to it than throwing raw meat into a bowl, it's all about balancing the meat/offal/bone ratio & giving each dog exactly what it needs.
A raw meaty bone is so much more appetising than a sugar laden chew stick.
Many of the behavioural problems I deal with are associated to incorrect feeding & I've yet to meet an overweight raw fed dog.
We have used raw tripe and whole meal biscuit for years, laughing dog terrier meal being the preferred option. No problems for 30 years until we moved abroad, not being able to get tripe or plain meal we reluctantly turned to Royal Canin plus minced beef.
Very soon we had dogs scratching all the time, flaky skin, bad stomachs etc. the local vets laughed when I said we fed RC even though they sell it!!!!
Now we import tripe from the UK at great cost and laughing dog also imported plus flax seed oil foe the omega oils, spinach for scratching and porridge oats for energy, the results are proving good and the end product has reduced in quantity
....'This is the stomach contents from a dog fed raw diet that includes raw chicken wings and legs. This dog had severe pancreatitis and a septic abdomen from the raw chicken bones perforating it's abdomen. This pet belonged to a long time client who felt that raw/barf diet was what was best for her mastiff and despite my warnings she ultimately lost her boy at specialty hospital after she put $10,000 into trying to save him.'.
It's a pity we can't post photographs here.But this is the caption................................'This is the stomach contents from a dog fed raw diet that includes raw chicken wings and legs. This dog had severe pancreatitis and a septic abdomen from the raw chicken bones perforating it's abdomen. This pet belonged to a long time client who felt that raw/barf diet was what was best for her mastiff and despite my warnings she ultimately lost her boy at specialty hospital after she put $10,000 into trying to save him.'. .........................................It seems to me the raw brigade think they are in someway superior. But evidence suggests it isn't the best option. I have read in two well-know publications that adding raisins into the mix of raw food is a good idea. It isn't! Just a small handful can kill a dog. There is a lot of contradictory advice across the internet and in books and it bothers me greatly!
As a long time dog food nutritionist who advocates raw feeding this program could be a breath of fresh air. It's been a long time coming.
Back when I started there was so little help, information or raw food suppliers but today the movement is growing and at last dogs and cats get the chance to thrive not simply survive.
I've jumped in to help with thousands of dogs over the years suffering from allergies to incurable cancers and we have performed miracles with balanced raw food diets. Awareness is at last growing in the dog owners favour.
I have been feeding my cavalier king charles dogs raw meaty bones for 11 years. They LOVE dinner time and rarely go to the vet...AND produce much better stools than kibble fed dogs. I tell all my dog owning friends but some are still convinced that kibble is best. It frustrates me that people cannot think for themselves and appreciate that most dog food companies are profit driven sales people. I agree that cats should also be fed raw...I have a standing order with my local butcher and spend less than the cost of kibble feeding my dogs...not to mention a saving in vet fees!
We have raw fed our 5 pet dogs a raw food diet for many years. Our reason for changing from a dried complete food was health issues our dogs were constantly suffering with and the lack of energy and focus when out training and competing in Agility. We found the change amazing, no more health issues, lovely tarter free teeth and energy levels grew. Our dogs range from 2years to 15years of age. Our 15 year old dog has just had blood tests to check the condition of his liver and kidneys, the vets checked his teeth and asked what we were feeding as all results were fine.
Our dogs are more than happy on raw food, its what their digestive systems are designed for, as for the bacteria issue - the ph balance in their digestive system is highly acid to overcome any problems. Its the dried food that makes the ph level low that's when the problems occur.
Kanietter English Setters
What is so good to read on here is that the majority of people feed a their dogs a great diet of raw meats and can see the benefits. I wish the program makers all the luck with the airing of this and hope more people realise that we can do better by our animals if we are better informed and the large dog food companies stop hiding the truth. They are carnivores and need to be treated like that. I have bred and owned dogs for over 20 yrs and for 15yrs plus have fed raw to old dogs and young puppies and I wouldn't feed anything else to them.
I am very excited about this programme on thursday, I made the switch to raw with my two dogs first one being 7 and the other being under 2 at the time I joined groups did some research and made the switch cols turkey (pardon the pun) my main reason for the switch where to improve my dogs skin which at the time was flakey and dry and to put some weight on my 7 yr old. After two months of raw I had seen a vast improvment not only in coat and skin but my dogs had finally started to put weight on and muscle My older boys recurring eye infection from a turning in lid had gone their teeth where getting whiter and their behaviour was getting better they went from anxious to relatively chilled out in a matter of weeks they paid more attention during training and just had the energy to do more but when it was needed. I continued with the diet and ordered a verity of meats from suppliers so they had enough verity during the week including chicken, phesent, duck, turkey, beef, rabbit, lamb, tripe, pork, venison, eggs organs and whole hearts. After that I decided to switch my hyperthyroid cat to raw who was 17 at the time she was on it for 4 months before she passed away she improved by putting on weight her coat was alot better too and her breath was better. I currently still have my two dogs on raw one being 9 yrs now and the other being nearly 3 yrs we order food from a supplier called MVM and my local butcher aswell and my 6 month old kitten has been raw fed from 10 weeks he gets everything the dogs do just more heart for turine, I enjoy sorting out what my furrymembers will eat every day and you can never be to proud of a full freezer of different meats yes (just for the dogs and cats) aswell as raw feeding I worm using diatomaceous earth and I use a joint suppliment called liquid flexwise and tumeric for my elderly boys arthritis other than that my babies are still the best they have ever been thanks to raw feeding. I hopw any one who watched the programme and wants to change does their reserch and enjoy every part of it.
From the hounds tyson,tjay and jarvis the cat!
I have fed my dogs a raw meaty bone diet for the last 8 years. Not only do they love dinner time, they are also getting great mental stimulation while having their food. My larger breed contantly had skin issues which completely cleared in rocrod time after switching to a raw diet. Dogs digestive systems are not designed to processed cereal and grains like humans dispite what the various packaging says!! You definitely need to try it for yourself and mak your own opinions. I liken it to humans eating junk food every day and most of us have probably seen the film 'supersize me'!! I rest my case :-)
As a dog behaviour therapist I am thrilled that so many people are feeding raw. I see a massive change in my client's dogs when they are changed to a raw diet (fully researched of course) Cereals, sugar, chemical preservatives, colouring etc have no place in a dogs diet.
Would like to point out as well that it's widely known that for things to evolve it takes thousands of years, the digestive system of a dog would be some kind of evolutionary miracle if it became dependant on kibble over less than a century!
I feed my four wolfdogs completely raw. But I do not feed the barf diet as having time to work out all the weights and measures is a real headache. So I feed a prey model diet. Whole prey, in it's fur, with it's guts in. That way the ratio of bone to meat, plus the partially digested vegetation in the guts (dogs struggle to digest most raw veg and rely on the prey animals stomach enzymes to start the process for them). All their rabbits/pheasant (chicken is a well known allergen to dogs, pheasant isn't) and venison is fresh and wild. Not stuffed full of steroids and antibiotics like so much of our 'fit for human consumption, chicken, beef, lamb and pork).
It's incredibly cheap as local pest controllers around here use hawks or ferrets to keep the rabbits off the crops, and the game keepers and hunters are paid to keep the deer numbers under control.
My dogs are wolf content dogs so yes they are 'basically wolves'...... But even the more domesticated breeds have the same digestive system as a wolf. All humans have managed to do over time by feeding commercial foods, is suppress the dogs natural enzymes. Switching to raw can take a while for your dogs digestion to 'wake up' again, but only in the same way as a vegetarians would if they tucked into their first steak for 100 years :)
The argument that kibble is a balanced meal which has all the nutrients a dog requires doesn't quite cut it for me. I recall hospital patients being fed a whole nutritionally balanced milkshake style drink but can't imagine anyone living of that indefinitely! Why resign our pets to such dietary drudgery. Our dog was and still is a hoover when it comes to any food but since switching to raw he reluctantly eats kibble only if he is really hungry.
I have been feeding my dog raw now for 3 weeks and have already seen the benefits-no more diarrhoea and sickness and definitely less hyper! I wouldn't say that it's the raw diet that poses a risk to dogs, I would say its the ignorant owners who haven't done their research and don't follow it correctly to ensure that their dogs get all the nutrients they need because not supplying all the hutrients a dog needs isn't a 'proper' raw diet.
I would no more feed my dogs cooked/kibble food than my husband raw! It is just not right and in my experience it's dogs reared on dry food that cannot eat normally and have sensitive tummies. Dogs are scavengers and should be able to eat scraps, I have a friend who had a lab reared and fed on nothing other than dry. She couldn't even eat a rich tea bikkie without being sick, that just ain't right! I have just lost a 16 and a half bitch, 10 days later her 14 year ol daughter, we have 2 more litter mates at home still, they will be 15 in may, one 12 yr old, one 11yr old, 2 9 yr olds, 2 8yr olds 2 5yr olds and a couple of youngsters. Not one has had a,ny dental work in years, not since eating raw. Its so lovely to watch them doing what comes naturally and chewing on a bone. Feeding kibble every day would be the same as giving my kids beefburgers and crap like it.
A reply to Banshee, Dogs are not 'basically a wolf'. Just wanted to put that there. But yes raw food is a brilliant and probably the best diet, but not everyone can properly cater for the raw diet ensuring it has all the nutrients needed.
I hope the review is one that is balanced and well informed though.
really hoping this is pro raw programme- could never go back to kibble
Lots of people are stuck on raw.I say it's what works for the animal. My dog has very bad diarrhoea and sickness on raw...........
I feed a variety of raw food, including offal, muscle meat, meaty bones and fat. My dog who came to me with a sensitive stomach and almost permanent diarrhoea, was absolutely fine as soon as I changed her to a raw diet, no more issues. :)
I've been feeding my dogs a 'complete ' raw food for four years after years of having my dogs suffer from diarrhorea, vomiting and skin problems. Since feeding the raw food I've had healthy dogs with none of the former problems!
It's important that owners make ure the raw meat is properly sourced , and there is also a mix of raw vegetables, fruit, oil and bone in it.I buy mine already prepared so I know I am feeding a balanced diet.
Have fed raw for the last 14 years - currently we have 9 collies ranging from 18 mths to 16 years - not only do they all glow with health, but their teeth look fantastic. No descaling needed - the bones do it naturally!
Roger Meacock MRCVS
I am a vet and will only feed my dog raw meaty bones. Bones can be a problem is fed cooked or without enough meat on them. Some bones such as chicken wings are too boney and too small for larger breeds that might gulp them down. Beef marrow bones are too hard and can cause teeth to break. The health benefits from reading raw are imeasurable and many diseases that so-called science diets are made to treat would not occur if the proper RMB diet was fed in the first place. Our pet carnivores are not designed to eat grains and large amounts of plant material and can't cook for themselves. If they don't do it in the wild we don't need to do it for them as many many owners are discovering for themselves.
Being a pet nutritionist myself and offering advice to many people, i have seen seen owners who feed a Raw diet that are doing more harm to their pets as there are not feeding a balanced diet, i have also seen many people feeding off the supermarket shelf "Multi-coloured" feeds, with owners complaining their pets are hyperactive!
Whilst a balanced Raw diet is good, you need correct storage and preparation space which is too much for 99% of peoples hectic lives. I always recommend an all in one dry kibble, a variety of food that has high quality, human grade meats, no chemicals or harmful additives, like Husse, James Welbeloved etc... that have everything pets need, once people to change to these Super Premium dry foods they see a big change in their pets behaviour, skin condition and shiny coats, as well as being fantastic for dental health without the need for dreaded supermarket dental sticks!!
We started to feed our chocolate lab raw after reading an article in The Mail a few years ago. Horrified about what was thought acceptable by the manufacturer to put into their products. Within 2 weeks a skin flaky skin condition was cleared up. I also make own treats from raw pigs livers that I slice and then dry out. I feed chicken livers and hearts, breast of lamb (with bone), chicken, and dogs mince from the butcher which contains beef lungs. Use your local butcher for best prices and free bones.
As a soon to be vet, I don't really mind what people feed their pets as long as they are well nourished. A 'raw food' diet has risks too - all meat diets do not provide all the necessary dietary requirements especially for growing dogs, and I've seen a fair few bones remove from the throats, stomachs & intestines of dogs! An aside, the medicinal diets (used as recommended by a vet or equivilent) can be a life saver, e.g. those for cats with renal disease and dogs with liver disease. They may be commercial diets, but they are hard to math with homemade diets, and certainly not (IMHO) to be dismissed!
I have been raw feeding my cats for 3 years now, after 6 months my vet said the change in health was nothing short of a miracle.
Never again will I ever feed inedible human food waste thinly disguised as cat food to my pets!
Raw is the only way to go
We would find it highly inappropriate to see zoo animals eating kibble or tinned food and yet we think it's acceptable for what is basically a wolf?? No thanks
Its not all dog foods, just hope it's a balanced view and they don't treat all brands the same. Most are awful but some are very good.
Having recently fully investigated the hard feed i fed my dog having found metal and plastic in it. I will be interested to see if any other feed companies use out of date bread and call it 'cereal'. My dog was extremely ill and the company only refunded my vets bill, not the bag of food or any compensation. Needless to say i have roped in trading standard, who have been working with said company over the past two year. Ive gone raw!! s
Wished the programme had been about Pets and not just dogs. cats are obligate carnivores whereas dogs are not. Therefore it is MORE important only to feed them animal proteins. Hope this leads to the public waking up to what goes into kibble and tins.
Let's hope this is just the start of a Nationwide awareness that all is not great with feeding mass produced over processed over marketed profit driven fast food to our best friends!
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